[Paterson] It had been a month and a half since the killings occurred.
I get up and I have, like, multiple missed calls.
[phone buzzes]
My supervisor, she's like, "They're having a press conference.
What do you think it means?"
I said, "They got someone."
At this point, the case took off to a whole new level.
[reporter 1] The FBI took a suspect into custody.
It is a man in his 20s.
But beyond that, there are very few details.
[Berriochoa] When I was getting ready to board a plane,
I heard a person say, "They made an arrest."
I said, "Wait. Excuse me. They made an arrest?"
[Weber] This arrest happened thousands of miles away
from that horrific crime scene.
We tried our best to speculate, but we didn't come close.
[reporter 2] So many questions still unanswered.
What connects this suspect to the victims?
Any theory that I even had was just thrown out the door.
[reporter 3] This is a new name and a new face in the investigation.
We are getting our first look at the man
arrested for the murders of four university…
First time we saw the individual, we were just like,
"Who is this? Why did he do this?"
I just didn't even think about the possibility
that it could have been a random person.
[reporter 4] A major development in a closely watched murder case.
Just moments from now, police in Moscow, Idaho,
will hold a news conference.
[reporter 5] This room is absolutely packed here at Moscow City Hall.
Dozens of reporters here inside, bunches of TV cameras.
[Paterson] So we're all sitting there,
mostly a bunch of local newspaper reporters,
people within like an hour or two of Moscow.
And there was a press conference.
Last night, detectives arrested 28-year-old Bryan Christopher Kohberger
in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania.
Kohberger resides in Pullman, Washington,
and is a graduate student at Washington State University.
Due to Idaho state law, we are limited in what information we can release today
until Kohberger has his initial appearance in Idaho Court.
I went to my friend's house and we all were like,
"Do you know who it is? Do we know who he is?"
And none of us knew.
My first reaction was, "Who the hell is this guy?"
He is just this random person that has nothing to do with any of our lives.
You all now know the name of the person who has been charged with these offenses.
Please ask the public, anyone who knows about this individual, to come forward.
[Johnson] I was told that they had made an arrest.
Someone named Bryan. I was like, "Bryan?"
I was like, "I've never even heard of a Bryan."
Like, why would this random guy from Pullman
that no one's met before do this?
[Paterson] Lauren Paterson, uh, Northwest Public Broadcasting,
Spokane Public Radio.
Is our community safe?
Or is law enforcement still on the search for other suspects
who might be involved in this attack?
What I can tell you is we have a individual in custody
who committed these, um, horrible crimes,
and, um, I do believe our community is safe.
[Paterson] For weeks, it really felt like a cloud was hanging over Moscow.
And now here we were sort of close to getting some closure
about this horrible nightmare that we've been living through.
[Wood] As my dad was reading, you know, the details of who they arrested,
I just was crying. And my mom said, "It's over."
And I said, "No, Mom. It's just the beginning."
[Stacy] When the arrest was made, we could all breathe a little bit easier,
that there was somebody out there that-that was no longer out potentially…
[chuckles] …on the streets, I guess.
[sighs]
I was glad to hear that they had caught the person.
Um, 'cause… [sighs] …as a father,
y-you don't know where that person was.
There… There was a real… [breathes deeply] …uh, weight off my chest.
[Karen] It was six weeks of an absolute nightmare,
not knowing why.
Every waking minute wondering who could even commit this crime.
There was never, you know,
this solid moment where you're not thinking about it.
And it's someone completely random.
Very far away, which makes… [breathes sharply] …even less sense.
[reporter 1] Bryan Kohberger is facing four counts of felony first-degree murder.
He remains behind bars inside the Monroe County Correctional Facility.
He'll have his first hearing before a judge on Tuesday afternoon.
[reporter 2] The story making international headlines
for the last seven weeks.
[reporter 3] Bryan. Bryan, did you do it? Bryan. Did you do it?
[Paterson] This case just captures the attention of the nation.
And once Kohberger was arrested,
there was actually more attention on the case now than there even was before.
[Whitworth] Bryan Kohberger will be extradited back here to Idaho
to face charges for the most heinous crime that this city has ever seen.
There was a lot of hubbub about him even just arriving back in Moscow.
There was a crowd of people waiting for him to arrive
when he was driven into the jail.
[reporter 1] The man accused of brutally murdering
four University of Idaho students last month is now back in Idaho.
[reporter 2] We expect Kohberger will have his first court appearance tomorrow.
[Paterson] That night, I went down to the Corner Club, the local bar in Moscow.
The mood was jovial.
People were celebrating, clinking glasses.
Like, "We got the guy." Like, you know, "Fuck him.
Yeah, my buddy is the one who, like, drove him over in the car.
And my buddy is the one who was one of the paramedics on the scene."
Like, people in town had a lot of pride
with how the local community had really rallied.
[stammers] Several people were like, "Thank God he's not one of us."
It would have destroyed me if it was someone else, like, from Idaho.
Like, if it was like an Idaho on Idaho thing.
In a small town, everybody knows everybody.
There was just, like, this huge sense of relief.
This guy's from the East Coast. He's an outsider.
[Eckles] When I first heard Bryan Kohberger was a student
at Washington State University,
I remember reaching out to my counterpart there.
I said, "You need to hold on tight,
because the tidal wave that just hit our campus is now coming your way.
All of the scrutiny, the media attention."
[Schwartz] We've been digging into Kohberger's background.
It appears as though he was a PhD criminology student
at Washington State University.
His field of study there now seems an eerie one.
[Franklin] When the news media reported that there was an arrest,
I was working at Washington State University
as a research faculty member and associate professor of criminology.
Bryan Kohberger had been the teaching assistant.
This is a person who's gonna attend class, assist with grading.
They're gonna hold office hours.
They're gonna do a lot of the-the things that faculty members do.
To learn that this was a student that was enrolled in a PhD program,
um, in criminal justice and criminology, was… I… My heart sank.
[reporter] Kohberger was living at an apartment in Pullman, Washington.
That's just about nine miles away from the crime scene in Idaho.
[Franklin] Pullman, Washington and Moscow, Idaho
are two college communities.
They just sit, sort of, right on the border.
[Eckles] It's a 15-minute drive from Moscow.
You can literally walk to that campus from our campus, uh, in an afternoon.
[Paterson] It did make sense when I heard that Bryan Kohberger was a student
at a neighboring university.
Someone who was in the area at the time.
[Epperly] There was just a lot of questions.
Who is this person and why was he in Moscow?
But the number one question in this case has always been why?
How did he know the victims?
[Scott] We were keeping our eyes on everything.
We want to know how does this guy tie in.
We have a face to associate with the crime,
but that's all we got.
[Paterson] The first time they brought Bryan Kohberger into the courtroom.
When they opened the doors, a chill swept through the courtroom.
[chattering]
It was just… just a really eerie, surreal feeling
to see him for the first time.
[chattering]
[Scott] Just seeing him,
and he was probably, I don't know, maybe eight feet away from me,
I almost really wanted to take him out myself… [chuckles] …right there.
It is, uh… [gulps] "Okay. [stammers] You got to calm down."
My wife actually was holding on to my arm
because she was afraid I was gonna go do something.
I remember just holding his arm as tightly as I could.
And he was shaking.
[gulps] I think we were all shaking.
Count two alleges that you committed the felony offense
of murder in the first degree.
The maximum penalty for this offense is death or imprisonment for life.
-Do you understand? -Yes.
I thought… [inhales deeply] …I would feel like, you know,
"Yes. We're here. We're watching you. Like, how dare you?" [sniffles]
And it wasn't that way at all.
He didn't look at us.
I'm sure he was instructed to do so.
And I thought, "If he doesn't feel bad,
why am I wasting so much time even pretending like he's a human being?"
I'm hurting myself.
He's not going to make me a victim.
[Stacy] Sitting in a courtroom just doesn't feel right.
Why would I go sit in a courtroom… [chuckles] …with that person?
-Have you attended any of the hearings? -None. No, I will not.
We won't. We won't attend any of the hearings.
Mm-mmm. Uh, what's the purpose?
-Definitely not the trial? -No. Nope.
I don't have a need to go… [scoffs] …look him in the eyes or…
[clicks tongue] …I don't.
It is what it is.
We cannot change the outcome on this thing.
We cannot bring Ethan back.
[Scott] I watched a lot of crime shows, so I knew there was a process
and I could explain to Karen, this is each step.
This is what's gonna happen.
So I had to be patient for the most part and say,
"Okay, this is gonna take time."
[reporter 1] We got a press release from the Moscow, uh, Police Department
saying they're not going to talk to us anymore,
and they're not the only ones. There's a gag order in this case.
[reporter 2] That gag order is gonna be in effect, the judge said,
until a verdict is reached in this case.
With a gag order, certain people close to this case
aren't allowed to speak to the press anymore,
like the investigators and the cops.
They're trying to really contain this case.
They don't want any evidence leaking out that could compromise the trial.
And so because of this,
the focus completely shifted to Bryan Kohberger.
[Weber] So far, police have not said what led them to this arrest.
[reporter 3] We don't know much about him.
How did they track him down? How did they zero in on him?
His connection to the victims? Did he know the victims?
We don't have any of those answers.
[Paterson] Everyone just became obsessed
with figuring out everything about this guy.
[reporter 4] Who is Bryan Kohberger?
[caller] What brought him to that house?
Did he just spontaneously combust into a killer… [stammers] …overnight?
[Ferraro] The face pops up on the TV, and I'm sitting with my family,
and I just felt my heartbeat go crazy fast.
I recognize this face.
And my fiancée is like,
"What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you?"
And I'm like, "I know that guy."
I'm like, "I went to DeSales with this guy."
Bryan Kohberger and I met in the biology room.
We were all being paired up for this long project that we were about to do.
We're, like, picking partners, and I see this guy standing alone
with his leather jacket on and he's, like, just kind of being quiet.
I'm the type of guy that says, "Hey, buddy, do you want to be my partner?"
This guy is incredibly smart, incredibly detail-oriented,
and he's, honestly, a pleasure to work with.
"Do you need help with A? Do you need help with B?"
Bouncing ideas off each other. Fact-checking each other.
[Slaven] I took a few classes with Bryan Kohberger.
He was also a forensic psychology major.
We saw him maybe as the smarter student.
I remember there was a class where I actually tried to cheat off his test.
I don't tell a lot of people that, but I tried to cheat off his test
because I knew he always did amazing in our psychology classes.
[Ferraro] He seemed to be a lonely guy.
I definitely invited him to a party one time and he said no.
I can remember that.
[Slaven] He commuted to DeSales,
so it was kind of hard to learn who Bryan was.
He's an oddball.
He is smart, but he's like a robot.
Purely based off the fact of his social inability
to perform in a normal human manner,
I could absolutely see someone like him being involved in something like this.
A serial killer that I talked to…
[Ferraro] I sought out the criminal justice program at DeSales
because of its reputation.
We had all these high-profile professors.
[Slaven] Doctor Katherine Ramsland is a very accredited woman
in the forensic psychology world.
She has been on multiple TV shows. She's published multiple books.
[Ramsland] I spent five years talking with Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer,
because he defies many of the formulas.
[Ferraro] Bryan Kohberger studied forensic psychology under Doctor Ramsland.
In that class, you learned about serial killers, murderers,
and their motives.
[Slaven] Right behind our campus is a group of houses where normal people live.
But one house DeSales bought and they use it as a crime scene house.
Doctor Ramsland would leave evidence and clues
of a real murder that happened in history.
[Ferraro] We would try to figure out exactly how this crime took place.
Just thinking about how and why a person would do something like that.
[Slaven] I did one assignment with Bryan in the crime scene house.
We're all sitting there, quiet, and he would come up with something like,
"Well, maybe the intruder did this."
Bryan's analysis usually helped us get to the end goal
of what Doctor Ramsland wanted us to get to.
All of these are part of him,
but when he's focused on one side like serial killer,
the rest recede.
He's not aware of them. That's why…
[Slaven] So if you imagine a box, there's different sides to it.
You act as one person at work.
You act as one person at home.
You act as one person at church.
People with dangerous tendencies,
they have one that they hide completely to themselves,
which allows them to commit these crimes.
And then they can automatically switch when they go back home,
to the other side of the box.
[Paterson] I talked to a criminologist who said,
it's easy for people who want to commit crimes
to mask when studying criminology, right?
You can ask all kinds of debaucherous questions about murder,
about cutting people open, about what motivates criminals to kill people.
For grad school, Kohberger posted a Reddit survey
where he was interested in figuring out what motivates people
to commit certain types of crimes.
You don't look like a psychopath. You look like you're doing your homework.
[Slaven] Bryan was asking questions about how certain inmates
felt about the crime that they did, which to me was very bizarre to ask.
It was definitely out of the realm of the type of questions that we would ask.
The Master of Arts in Criminal Justice is awarded to Bryan Kohberger.
[Ferraro] You could be a teacher, who is supposed to be the protector of children,
doing nefarious things with a student.
How oftentimes do we see that?
They coached the football team and they're involved in Little League
and they're part of the community.
All the while, being that chameleon who's blending in with society.
[Paterson] What we know about Bryan Kohberger is that he was raised
in the rural mountains of the Poconos in Pennsylvania.
He seems to have been picked on or bullied as a kid a lot.
When he got older, he was kind of a loner kid.
While Kohberger was at Washington State University,
he was a teacher's assistant.
And from what we've heard from students who were in classes with Kohberger,
he had somewhat of an off-putting personality.
But it's not like this guy had a rap.
It'd be different if, like, in his past,
he had some other, like, violent assault or something on his record.
What makes this so striking is this wasn't some career criminal.
This might have been someone's first act.
[Epperly] It wasn't clear how police identified Bryan Kohberger as the suspect
until the probable cause affidavit was released.
[Weber] We have breaking news for you,
and that is that the probable cause affidavit in the Idaho Four murder case
has officially been released.
As you can see, I'm casually dressed.
We had to jump on the air immediately to get this to you.
There's a lot of information as to what led to Bryan Kohberger's arrest.
And these details are so heartbreaking.
Let's talk about the key takeaways because OMG.
[Epperly] Probable cause affidavit is supposed to provide a judge
with just enough evidence for the suspect to be held on the crime.
[reporter] DNA, phone records and that white Hyundai Elantra.
Those are the pieces of evidence police believe connect Bryan Kohberger
to the Idaho murders.
We get to see the homework that all the investigators put together
to say… [stammers] …Bryan Kohberger is our guy.
The night the killings took place,
Kohberger's cell phone data reveals he leaves his apartment in Pullman,
heading toward Moscow.
His cell phone stops reporting to the network at 2:47 a.m.
Investigators say that's consistent with someone, like,
putting their phone in airplane mode or turning it off.
[Epperly] Just before 3:30 a.m.,
a white Elantra is seen on surveillance footage
making passes at the King Road house.
Investigators believe the homicides occurred
between 4:00 and 4:25 a.m.
[Paterson] And then, sometime after 4:20 a.m.,
a white Hyundai Elantra is seen leaving the King Road residence
at high speed on security footage.
When Kohberger's phone starts reporting to the network again,
it happens at 4:48 a.m.
as he's headed south from Moscow towards Genesee.
[Epperly] According to cell phone data,
Kohberger drove back to Pullman in an odd way.
Typically, people will drive down the main highway that connects the two towns
or they'll drive on the airport road,
but he drove through a residential subdivision out of the way.
[Paterson] He winds his way back to Pullman
through some of the smaller farm towns.
Kohberger returns to his residence on the Pullman campus
in the early morning hours.
One of the most shocking parts of the affidavit
was that investigators found a sheath for a knife
next to Maddie on the bed.
The cell phone records show Kohberger likely returned
to the area of 1122 King Road that morning.
He seems to circle back to the crime scene sometime around 9 a.m.
It kind of makes my skin crawl knowing that he was on the same street.
He was by my car. He was by my front door that morning.
When he went back there in the morning, that was an "Oh, shit" moment.
"I left the sheath and that has my DNA on it."
That's what I truly believe.
"Where is that sheath? Oh, my God. Where is it?"
Probably freaking out
'cause he probably wore booties on his feet.
He probably gloved up. He probably had long sleeves.
He probably had a hairnet and a hood up.
And knowing what he did know,
probably accounted for every little thing that he could.
You can say you're gonna do this, this and this on any given day,
but almost 100% of the time,
the plan has to deviate because you can't control the outcome.
[Paterson] Five days after the killings occurred,
Bryan Kohberger changed his car registration
from Pennsylvania to Washington.
This is extremely suspicious
because maybe someone is worried that their car was captured on video
or surveillance of some kind.
And so, registering a different state is a way to change
not only the look of your vehicle, but where it's registered,
the information about it.
Maybe it's a way to cover something up.
[Jenkins] On November 28th, I received an email from Moscow PD.
They had a vehicle of interest.
It was a 2011 to 2013 white Hyundai Elantra.
At the time, I was chief of police
for the Washington State University Police Department.
They told us if we found one,
just provide the license plate and where it was.
They didn't want us to contact an occupant or driver of the vehicle.
It's called law enforcement sensitive,
meaning that we should not distribute it beyond law enforcement.
The next day, one of our officers was driving around
at one of the graduate student housing complexes on campus.
And actually found a white Elantra with Pennsylvania plates.
[typing]
And he did a search in our parking enforcement system.
It was a graduate student at Washington State University
named Bryan Kohberger,
and one of our officers had stopped him previously for a traffic violation.
Yeah, I-I do apologize if I was asking you too many questions about the law.
-I wasn't trying to, like-- -[officer] No, no, no, not at all.
Like, I understand you're not from here, so…
-Yeah. Have a good day. -Definitely. You too.
[officer] Thanks.
[Jenkins] Moscow PD wanted us to look for a white Elantra
that was between 2011 and 2013.
This car was not between those years,
and so, they didn't submit it as a lead to Moscow PD.
[typing]
[Cameron] Pappa Rodger joined our Facebook group,
the University of Idaho Murders Case Discussion,
a couple of weeks after we started the page,
and he immediately started to get attention
because of the questions he was asking
and just how creepy overall he was.
Alina and I are like the administrators of the page,
and if something gets posted that's inappropriate,
it, like, pops up to our attention.
We get this, like, file of people that report comments,
and his were in there all the time,
which is how he became, like, even more prominent in my head.
I mean, he just asked really weird questions, like,
"How did the killer hold the knife prior to entering the scene,
in your opinion?"
[Smith] He said, "Which hand do you think they used to kill with?"
And I was just like… [groans] …"Who is he?"
Like, "Something's not right. Something's off with this guy."
[Cameron] Alina and I have a passion for true crime.
We have multiple pages that focus on crimes
that people are looking to solve,
but the biggest and most well-known is the University of Idaho murders.
There was talk back then like,
"Oh, I bet the killer is on this page. There's 220,000 of us."
[Smith] We have almost a quarter million members.
Somebody's gonna say something that's gonna be significant.
People ask questions on this page, and they like…
"Oh, I think so-and-so did it."
But he was so into, like, the crime scene
and, like, the killer and why he did things.
In hindsight, I see something very much along the same lines
as the questionnaire that Bryan Kohberger created
for a school project.
He wanted, like, the thoughts and feelings into why somebody committed crime.
Pappa Rodger asked on our page,
"How did the killer leave the scene?"
Kohberger asked, "How did you leave the scene?"
in his questionnaire.
Pappa Rodger said, "Did you clean up at all?"
Bryan Kohberger asked, "Before leaving, is there anything else you did?"
The questions on his questionnaire
are very similar to the questions that Pappa Rodger asked on our page.
One post in particular that really catches my attention
is his very first post on November 30th.
"Of the evidence released,
the murder weapon has been consistent as a large fixed-blade knife.
This leads me to believe they found the sheath."
That is so odd
because we didn't hear anything about the sheath.
This has never been discussed publicly.
This is November 30th.
This is a full month before they even arrest him.
[reporter] This morning, a new clue in the search for the killer
of four University of Idaho students.
Detectives now asking the public for help
locating a white 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra.
During a case like this one, you're withholding that information
because you don't want to compromise the investigation.
But then, if you get to a point where your investigation isn't getting anywhere,
then you have to kind of give that up
in the interest of trying to develop leads.
[reporter 2] As far as this investigation in this story goes,
this is as big of a development as we-we have got.
Once this tip goes out that the police are looking for a white Hyundai Elantra,
people are going nuts looking for this car.
People are going crazy online, submitting photos.
[Wood] When they were looking for the car,
my friends had to screenshot it and was like, "Do you know about this?"
I had a friend text me and it was like,
"I know a girl who has that car. Should I call it in?"
People were losing it about this.
[reporter 3] A night manager at this gas station in Moscow, Idaho,
discovered surveillance video that showed a white sedan driving by
on the night the four University of Idaho students were murdered.
During that time, Pappa Rodger kept saying over and over and over again
that that white Elantra is a red herring.
It's like somebody trying to get people off that trail.
Something you learn in criminal justice is when people do commit acts of atrocity
and they get away with it for a time,
they involve themselves in any which way that they can.
This person potentially joined the search on social media to perhaps play a game,
have fun, show their intellect, whatever the case may be.
[Paterson] In December, Kohberger's dad flew in from Pennsylvania into Washington
to drive him home for winter break.
And he's pulled over for tailgating.
[officer] See, he's right up on that van, man.
You were right up on the back end of that van.
So you're coming from Washington State University?
-Yeah. -[officer] And you're going where?
-We're gonna be going to Pennsylvania. -[officer] Oh, okay.
So y'all work at the university?
I actually do work there.
[officer] So, do me a favor and don't follow too close, okay?
-Thank you. -Thank you, sir.
All right. Thank you. Appreciate you.
[Paterson] And then he gets pulled over a second time.
-[officer 2] How you doing? -Hey, officer.
[officer 2] I'm with State Police. Can I get your license and registration?
You got… You got stopped by a trooper?
-[Michael] It was a black car. -[officer 2] We don't have any SUVs.
-[Michael] Oh, uh, it was, um… -[officer 2] It was a county guy.
-Was it, like, a black SUV? -It was a county guy. Yeah.
[officer 2] Okay. All right. All right.
Well, I'm not gonna give you guys another ticket or warning
if you just got stopped. Just make sure you give yourself plenty of room. Okay?
-Okay. Please have a safe trip. Be safe. -[Michael] Thank you, sir.
[Paterson] They continue to drive to Pennsylvania.
[Cameron] Pappa Rodger, I mean, he keeps posting.
And when I read those messages, I see an escalation.
[Jenkins] At the end of December,
I received a text from the chief of the Moscow Police Department
asking me if I could meet with the investigative team.
He walked me upstairs to a room full of Moscow PD,
Idaho State Patrol, the FBI.
I figured that there's… Okay, there's…
Now they've got something going on.
There's a lead and it has something to do with WSU.
They had a suspect,
and when they told me his name, it sounded familiar to me.
And I said, you know,
"I think I've talked to Bryan Kohberger before."
Previous to my employment at Washington State University,
I was the chief of police for the city of Pullman.
We had a program where a WSU criminal justice PhD student
would do research and assistance for us.
So I interviewed Bryan Kohberger.
I know that he had an interest in the mind of a person who commits crimes,
their motivation and how they feel.
He seemed maybe a little bit awkward, uh, in talking with him.
His communication style was not like a fluid conversation, necessarily,
where he spoke easily.
It was a little bit more stuttered, I guess.
With a researcher and a law enforcement agency,
a huge factor is developing trust,
and that was one area where I felt he might fall short.
He did not get the job.
During that briefing, the investigators let me know
Bryan Kohberger was identified as a suspect
based on DNA at the crime scene.
[Epperly] They found a single source,
meaning it was only one person's DNA, on the button of the sheath.
[reporter 1] The suspect was identified through genetic genealogy,
a process where DNA from an investigation is compared to a public database.
[reporter 2] It sounds like somebody in his family
did one of those 23andMe things.
[Epperly] Using investigative genetic genealogy,
investigators can turn to trying to match portions of the known profile
from the sheath to family members of their suspect.
Back in Pennsylvania,
the FBI began surveilling the Kohberger residence.
They take some of the family's garbage
and made a DNA profile of Bryan Kohberger's father,
and then got at least a partial match to the DNA profile on the knife sheath.
So using all of this information, investigators say,
"We believe the person who committed this crime is Bryan Kohberger.
We want a warrant for his arrest."
[Jenkins] The investigators let us know of their plan
that they were going to do an arrest at his family home in Pennsylvania.
We were gonna time the search warrants at his office
and his graduate student housing apartment to happen almost simultaneously.
[knocking on door]
[officer] Police department! Search warrant! Come to the door!
[reporter 1] A break in the case that has gripped this nation.
[reporter 2] Authorities have arrested a suspect in Pennsylvania.
[reporter 3] Kohberger reportedly had a blank stare as he was arrested
and also asked if anyone else had been taken into custody.
[Mancuso] Mr. Kohberger was found in the kitchen area
wearing, um, latex gloves,
and, apparently, was taking his personal trash
and putting it into separate ziplock baggies.
[Paterson] The police took computers. They have hard drives.
They took black clothing. They took gloves, masks.
[Jenkins] There were no clothes at the apartment.
It just was almost vacant,
looked like he had planned not to come back.
After Bryan Kohberger is arrested, no one hears from Pappa Rodger ever again.
He was erased from the Internet.
You couldn't find him. I couldn't pull him up at all.
Because he was a member on the page, I should have been able to find something.
There was nothing.
[Cameron] The day of Kohberger's arrest,
Alina and I and hundreds of thousands of other people
are digging into Bryan Kohberger.
When you look at his mug shot
and you look at the profile picture of Pappa Rodger,
it looks like he made a cartoon of himself.
When I saw him, I was like, "That's him. Kristine, that's him.
That's fucking him."
[Cameron] We started posting about it on the page
and everyone kind of, like, jumped on that, like,
"Oh, my gosh. He was pa… He was on the page.
This is the connection."
[Johnson] After the arrest was made,
I thought our lives could begin to get more normal,
but the vibes and the energy around everyone
was just not the same.
[Eckles] We are needing to move forward as a community,
but the suspect is in jail just down the road.
And so, the daily reminder of what happened is ever-present.
[Karen] We were somewhere and the news was on in the background
and, suddenly, it was the story of the kids.
And just when you think you're emotionally okay…
[inhales sharply]
…you see it again. [cries]
What is going on? Like…
[sniffling]
…is this ever… [cries]
… going to be normal again? Is this ever gonna be the same?
And I think that, slowly but surely, I figured out that it's not.
I don't watch the news… [exhales sharply]
[inhales sharply]
…because you just never know when something's gonna be out there.
For the people close to it, they're having to grieve and…
and try to make sense of what's going on and get closure for their loved ones,
all while being on a national stage.
I really didn't understand until I was part of this case,
the ripple effects that it can have for entire communities.
Even as the case evolved, that attention just kept growing.
You just… You couldn't escape it.
We have amateur detectives piece together maps of the house
and the rooms.
You had Maddie and Kaylee right above on the third floor.
We have psychics on TikTok
claiming to have spiritual abilities to solve crimes.
He may have acted alone within the murder house, I don't know.
I'm gonna be doing a couple more readings.
There were a lot of questions that were answered by the affidavit,
like how police had tracked down Bryan Kohberger.
But there were also a lot of questions we still don't have answers to.
[reporter 1] What I don't quite understand at this time
is the police were not called until about noon the next day.
[reporter 2] Why was there such a delay?
The biggest detail from the affidavit was that one of the surviving roommates
actually saw someone in the house
in the early morning hours of November 13th.
There was an actual visual witness.
[reporter 3] She came face-to-face with the killer.
Someone in this house saw him.
[Alandt] I think she was confused and has battled with,
"What if I actually knew what was going on?" tled with,