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Come on!

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Kylie Minogue
has been showing off her new man,

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INXS lead singer Michael Hutchence.

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The couple at last going public
with their romance.

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There was concern from my team.
They thought, "Uh-oh."

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Uh-oh!

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She's too cute and good for him,
and he's too bad and hot for her.

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My heart is my alibi, only you…

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Yeah, well, I think people
are going to be a bit shocked.

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-Like I do, do
-Do

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Kylie Minogue has come out
and said she has never used hard drugs.

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Do you, uh, ever try
and tempt her to do anything harder?

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What were the nights out like?

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-Just fun.
-Good.

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What do I have to do
To get the message through…?

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No, she can do what she wants.

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I never tempt anybody to do anything.
She's on a real high herself.

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She doesn't need anything, you know.

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How much fun?

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It was a lot of fun.

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How much?

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According to some newspapers,
I read you've discovered sex.

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Would you like me
to comment further on that?

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Yes, I would.

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Um, well, no I can't. Sorry.

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What are you trying to get to?

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How devilish was I?

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I was devilish enough.

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What do I have to do
To get the message through?

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Let's get your sister
out of the way quickly. Is she in love?

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He was this sexy rock god
that men and women just went…

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He just oozed confidence,
and confidence is sexy.

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How can I prove
That I really love you, love you?

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In her world back then
confidence was just everything.

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How can I prove
That I really love you, love you?

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But I remember

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it was like she'd fallen head over heels.

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That's for sure.

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-Yeah.
-Okay, it's okay.

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We are now
on the Orient Express on June 26th.

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This is an American couple
filming this young Australian couple,

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who are here to have a great time.

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-You're on the air.
-Yeah.

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Yes, he was this wild guy.

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But his intention was good,
even if we weren't being so good.

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Everything was done with a lot of love.

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They've drunk all the champagne.

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-Oh, cut.
-Cut.

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Cut.

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I had so many firsts with him.

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Kylie.

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Hi.

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I'd never felt like I had blinkers on.

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But he took them off.

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I was at the perfect age.
I was 21 years old.

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That's nice.

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He was hilarious.

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And cultured.

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And tender.

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I love seeing the ones that are…

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That's not the shot.

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The moments around the shot.

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I just felt like I had my person there.

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Can I film you?

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I really did.

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-Movie star.
-Oh!

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-Movie star in Italy.
-In Italy.

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You can see it
in any pictures from then as well.

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Maybe life wasn't going
so fast for a second,

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because I remember all of it.

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Like being on that boat
in Hong Kong with that feeling of promise.

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I felt like a jewel.

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If you dropped it,
it would smash, but if you protected it…

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it could shine.

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Are you going to marry him?

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It would be nice to be proposed to,
but I don't know, we'll have to see.

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At the time I got in to see INXS
recording in the studio.

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And I loved it.

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I loved being in amongst that.

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I felt like I'd discovered a tribe.

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I thought it was amazing
to see them write songs together

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and have ownership over the end result.

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You know, we're pretty much equal.

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We tend to discuss things.

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I'll say, "I think this,"
and if they all go,

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"Oh, yeah, we agree with that,"
then it'll go into songs.

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It must be that way.
You have to be true to yourself.

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Then it was like a light bulb.

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I wanted to express myself more,

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and I just hadn't had that before.

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I knew this was the turning point.

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She had a rock-star boyfriend.

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Michael gave her the confidence
to be confident.

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Whatever I did,
I knew she wasn't going to like.

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Remember the old days

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Remember the…

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The snare drum in.

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…days

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The guitar.

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Rhythm

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A bit more guitar.

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Here's a hi-hat.

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I'd started making noise.

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I've got an idea. I mean,
what about this and what about that?

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We hadn't got time to discuss anything,

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because, you know,
we didn't have the time.

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I became really frustrated.

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It felt like fighting against the system.

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Another 15 number ones.

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I know we've had 142 top 20s.

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I mean, I've lost count.

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I wanted to explore different ideas,
be open to… to change.

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That's not what the public want.
That's not what the public want.

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The public want "I Should Be So Lucky."

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Ooh, well, um…

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I'm just tired of playing it so safe.

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And I should be allowed to speak.

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I should be allowed to have some input.

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Just to be able to have something
to do with my work, you know.

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Not just be the face for it.

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It's like someone was strangling
any creativity that I had.

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And by being forced to be quiet,

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shut up and listen,
I learnt a lot that way.

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And so, if things don't change,

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I won't be here anymore.

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Unless I could have things my way.

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Listen, I have two daughters,

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and at some point,
the old man don't know as much as they do.

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That's called growing up.

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I didn't use to be able to say "no."

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You do now.

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I certainly do now.

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Yeah, I do.

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I was reclaiming my sense of self.

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And that's when I discovered that
there were many more Kylies out there.

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It's on the hour
to come amongst you and amaze you

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with absolutely incredible,
out-of-this-world sounds.

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Look out. Here we go.

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I think my manager had said…

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"There's a Kylie night."

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And I'd never heard of a Kylie night.

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Like, "What?"

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Everybody's doing
A brand-new dance now

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Come on, baby, do the loco-motion

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"There's drag performers dressed as you."

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"Do you want to go?"

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"Yeah."

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When you can't find the music
To get down and boogie

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It was like, "Wow."

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…step back in time

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In my imagination
There is no hesitation…

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Like, supersonic versions of me.

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I'm dreaming

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…such a fool, I couldn't stop myself…

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And this was a time
when it was in to really not like me.

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I know you'll wait for me
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa

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And I ended up on stage

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at this drag bar.

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And I felt like the least Kylie there.

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Yeah, I thought, "I gotta step it up."

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"I gotta get some lashes on
and some eyeliner."

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Pete Waterman had been badgered
sufficiently to go,

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"All right kid. What do you want?"

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"What kind of music do you want to make?"

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And I think that might be
the first time he really asked me that.

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I just had had enough.

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She was going to clubs.

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She's now part of that whole club scene.

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If you're in that, you'll want
your records to sound like that.

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Tell me…

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Why do you think it suits people
to portray you as a bimbo?

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Because it's easy
and then I'm not a threat to them.

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There's something pretty
remarkable about young Kylie Minogue.

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Gossip columnists write her off
as "the Singing Budgie."

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Well, the budgie's feathers are ruffled.

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Monday, 29 Jan. 10:30 sharp.

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I remember that gig.

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Call you a liar to your face
Because I'm shocked by the power

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We called ourselves "Singing budgies."

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Shocked by the power…

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I remember what I was wearing.

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My amazing shiny tights

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that I was obsessed with.

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Shocked by the power…

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I remember Michael being
smack bang in the middle of the crowd.

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Kylie's got this real sweet,
innocent image.

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Kylie's really not the person
that people think she is.

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There's a lot of strength.

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"Singing Budgie," you know,
it's a horrible title.

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Whoever wrote that is probably fat
and bald, and 50 years old but look 70,

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and they've got bad breath
and can't control themselves.

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Um, and they're probably jealous.

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…you are really mine
Because I'm shocked by the power

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We'd gone from "I Should Be So Lucky"

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to Kylie the diva in one fell swoop.

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She wanted to see the video makers.

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She wanted her own stylists.

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The guys that
we worked with here for years,

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she just went,
"I won't work with them anymore."

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Whether it's stylists
or photographers or whoever,

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I'm working with them rather than
just being force-fed their ideas.

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Shocked by the power…

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I was running from the '80s.

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The sheen of it. The era of it.

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The puppeteering
or the having no substance.

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And as soon as I had
my image in my little grasp…

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…all over you, I'm high…

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…by God, I would turn into a lunatic.

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…track of time and falling free
I can't believe that you are really mine

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Because I'm shocked by the power

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Ooh, ooh, shocked by the power

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Those few bars we heard there

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are the first time
anybody's heard your new single.

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-Yeah, that's right.
-And a videotape.

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Yeah, that's being sent over tomorrow,
actually, and it's quite different.

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Is it?

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Oh! Oh my God. Oh my God.

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This is it. This is the moment. Ooh!

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Watch the hair.

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Holy Mary Mother of God.

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I guess I was taking the power back.

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Shocked by the power…

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Yeah, just saying, "All right."

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"Let's go."

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…shocked to my very foundations

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Okay, your thoughts, please?

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Oh my God, the press will ban it.
I think it'll be banned. I know it'll be.

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-Terry?
-Perfect. They're gonna hate it.

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-Mum?
-What's your dad gonna say?

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It's gonna be banned.

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Kylie Minogue,
the squeaky-clean next-door neighbor,

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kicks off her tour tonight.

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She'll be putting her new
look and new sound through their paces.

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Here we go.

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Right, right, right.

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Kylie, what can the fans expect?

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It's lots of fun.
It's just an hour and a half

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of letting go
and just enjoying themselves.

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The papers in England
have said your show's raunchier this time.

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-Is that right?
-Well, they've gone a little extreme.

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It's not an X-rated show or anything.

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Is that when I was wearing,
like, really raunchy outfits?

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She couldn't have picked
a worse thing to do.

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Kylie arrived by coach in Dublin

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after a four-hour journey from Belfast.

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It's great to finally be here.

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There's been talk
about a changing image for Kylie Minogue.

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Yeah, I saw that in the paper today.

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-Nice hairdo, Yvonne!
-Good.

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What can people expect when they see you?

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Well…

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Lots of choreography.

00:15:46.236 --> 00:15:47.947 align:center
Fabulous costumes.

00:15:48.030 --> 00:15:50.282 align:center
My outfits have been designed
by John Galliano.

00:15:51.533 --> 00:15:54.620 align:center
After checking her out,
seeing how she danced, how she moved,

00:15:54.703 --> 00:15:58.540 align:center
getting to know her personality,
I went away and did some drawings.

00:15:59.249 --> 00:16:02.252 align:center
So, my first outfit
was very inspired by Lolita.

00:16:06.590 --> 00:16:11.637 align:center
And it's worn over a frilly bra
and body slip with built-in knickers.

00:16:15.224 --> 00:16:19.478 align:center
Everybody's going, "Oh, this is…"
I was going, "No, no, no. Whoa!"

00:16:20.062 --> 00:16:21.313 align:center
"This is Kylie's wish."

00:16:21.397 --> 00:16:24.233 align:center
-Ready? Five, six, seven, eight.
-Five, six, seven, eight.

00:16:24.316 --> 00:16:25.984 align:center
And one, two, three, four.

00:16:26.068 --> 00:16:28.028 align:center
"This is what she wants to do."

00:16:28.112 --> 00:16:29.279 align:center
Hi, Kylie!

00:16:29.363 --> 00:16:30.823 align:center
Hey!

00:16:31.448 --> 00:16:34.368 align:center
Three. Wiggle the bum.
That's it, girls. Wiggle it, wiggle it.

00:16:34.451 --> 00:16:36.745 align:center
She's got to find out for herself.

00:16:38.455 --> 00:16:40.416 align:center
I don't want people
to know what to expect.

00:16:40.499 --> 00:16:42.751 align:center
I want them to come with an open mind.

00:17:01.353 --> 00:17:05.357 align:center
Yeah, it was-- We went a bit far.
I'm not going to lie. We went a bit far.

00:17:12.865 --> 00:17:17.369 align:center
I mean, maybe it was good in real,
but it didn't look good in a freeze-frame.

00:17:21.165 --> 00:17:23.709 align:center
I'm going to defend it with that.

00:17:28.589 --> 00:17:31.467 align:center
Does that help? I think it does help.

00:17:35.929 --> 00:17:38.432 align:center
But I know what you're going to cut to.

00:17:41.435 --> 00:17:43.645 align:center
Now our next guest shocked her young fans

00:17:43.729 --> 00:17:46.356 align:center
by strutting across the stage
in some of this getup.

00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:48.067 align:center
I don't have to describe it too much.

00:17:48.150 --> 00:17:49.818 align:center
-Kylie, good morning.
-Hi, how are you?

00:17:49.902 --> 00:17:51.862 align:center
I'm very well. How do you react?

00:17:51.945 --> 00:17:55.407 align:center
I mean, did you read all the criticism
or did you throw most of it away?

00:17:55.491 --> 00:17:57.743 align:center
I… I saw some of it.

00:18:01.663 --> 00:18:03.874 align:center
They say that you look
a bit like Madonna now,

00:18:03.957 --> 00:18:05.667 align:center
or you're trying to model yourself on her.

00:18:05.751 --> 00:18:08.212 align:center
When we say "they,"
we're talking about tabloid press.

00:18:08.295 --> 00:18:09.129 align:center
Yeah.

00:18:09.213 --> 00:18:13.133 align:center
That was tricky,
to defend those decisions.

00:18:20.057 --> 00:18:23.018 align:center
With your new tour now,
there is such controversy.

00:18:23.101 --> 00:18:25.854 align:center
Yeah, I'm a bit surprised.

00:18:29.108 --> 00:18:30.734 align:center
She kind of went too far

00:18:30.818 --> 00:18:33.320 align:center
prancing around
the Dublin stage in lingerie.

00:18:33.403 --> 00:18:35.447 align:center
She went from the girl next door

00:18:36.073 --> 00:18:38.575 align:center
to the girl next door
who's been around the block.

00:18:39.326 --> 00:18:40.536 align:center
It's much raunchier.

00:18:40.619 --> 00:18:44.498 align:center
Yes, I mean, I don't really like
to call myself raunchy.

00:18:44.581 --> 00:18:46.834 align:center
We've just seen your raunchy new video.

00:18:46.917 --> 00:18:48.460 align:center
That new raunchy image.

00:18:48.544 --> 00:18:51.839 align:center
-It's certainly fairly raw, isn't it?
-Raw?

00:18:52.589 --> 00:18:54.925 align:center
Well, raw as in raunchy, I mean.

00:18:56.218 --> 00:19:00.389 align:center
Now, there was a time when you said
you were raunchier than your sister.

00:19:00.472 --> 00:19:02.474 align:center
She's changed the image, hasn't she?

00:19:02.558 --> 00:19:04.601 align:center
Yeah, she has lately.

00:19:04.685 --> 00:19:09.606 align:center
I remember thinking, "This is so boring,

00:19:10.524 --> 00:19:11.859 align:center
repetitive…

00:19:13.652 --> 00:19:15.404 align:center
stupid."

00:19:15.487 --> 00:19:17.781 align:center
To hear that Kylie Minogue is too sexy

00:19:17.865 --> 00:19:21.285 align:center
is a bit like hearing that Mary Poppins
has turned into a hooker.

00:19:24.204 --> 00:19:27.916 align:center
I mean, imagine you just show up
to work every day and you just…

00:19:28.876 --> 00:19:29.835 align:center
Like…

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There's even been speculation
in Australia that you've had a boob job.

00:19:35.883 --> 00:19:37.259 align:center
Oh, dear.

00:19:37.342 --> 00:19:40.512 align:center
One magazine even went
as far as showing before and after shots.

00:19:45.058 --> 00:19:46.560 align:center
It's exhausting.

00:19:49.646 --> 00:19:51.481 align:center
And then as a female pop artist,

00:19:52.316 --> 00:19:53.984 align:center
if you say something,

00:19:54.067 --> 00:19:57.946 align:center
you're a bitch,
you've got an ego, you're a diva.

00:19:58.530 --> 00:20:00.449 align:center
Many mothers are complaining.

00:20:00.532 --> 00:20:02.117 align:center
No, well, you know,

00:20:02.201 --> 00:20:06.747 align:center
if you're going to interview me
having researched tabloid newspapers,

00:20:06.830 --> 00:20:10.083 align:center
there's no point talking to me
because I didn't see loads of mothers

00:20:10.167 --> 00:20:11.585 align:center
storming out with their children.

00:20:11.668 --> 00:20:15.422 align:center
And if you're a guy and you say,
"Shut up, that's not true," people go,

00:20:15.505 --> 00:20:17.007 align:center
"Fair enough. He's right."

00:20:17.090 --> 00:20:19.676 align:center
One mother. So, I get questioned.

00:20:19.760 --> 00:20:22.721 align:center
God, well, you know,
parents were storming out with their kids.

00:20:22.804 --> 00:20:23.972 align:center
It's rubbish.

00:20:25.974 --> 00:20:29.519 align:center
I am disappointed at the moment
because I'm not trying to--

00:20:29.603 --> 00:20:30.771 align:center
I'm trying to be myself.

00:20:34.775 --> 00:20:37.319 align:center
But whenever the going got tough,

00:20:37.402 --> 00:20:40.364 align:center
I had that love and support from Michael.

00:20:42.532 --> 00:20:45.994 align:center
"INXS is the first non-American group

00:20:46.078 --> 00:20:49.915 align:center
to land six consecutive
top ten hits in the Hot 100

00:20:49.998 --> 00:20:52.876 align:center
since Culture Club in 1983-84."

00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:54.378 align:center
-Wow.
-Serious?

00:20:54.461 --> 00:20:55.295 align:center
Really?

00:20:57.381 --> 00:21:01.176 align:center
But Michael was touring
all over the world.

00:21:02.010 --> 00:21:06.098 align:center
So, it became really hard
for us to see each other.

00:21:15.148 --> 00:21:18.277 align:center
So I would send video messages to him.

00:21:20.362 --> 00:21:22.239 align:center
Is it telling you it's low light?

00:21:23.532 --> 00:21:25.158 align:center
One, two, three.

00:21:25.242 --> 00:21:28.704 align:center
Kylie says, "Hello to Michael"!

00:21:30.247 --> 00:21:32.291 align:center
-Mum and Yvonne.
-Hi!

00:21:32.374 --> 00:21:33.709 align:center
Hi, Michael!

00:21:33.792 --> 00:21:36.294 align:center
Just going on again.

00:21:36.378 --> 00:21:39.715 align:center
I'll think of another message
to give you very shortly.

00:21:42.426 --> 00:21:45.387 align:center
But it just became
more and more difficult.

00:21:45.971 --> 00:21:47.764 align:center
Are you still in love with Kylie?

00:21:47.848 --> 00:21:50.142 align:center
God, Jeff.

00:21:51.143 --> 00:21:52.144 align:center
Don't ask me…

00:21:52.227 --> 00:21:55.230 align:center
Don't ask me ques--
No, that's too private, you know.

00:21:56.106 --> 00:21:59.192 align:center
At the very least, we're very good friends
and always will be.

00:21:59.276 --> 00:22:00.319 align:center
Yeah.

00:22:00.902 --> 00:22:02.446 align:center
-It's not…
-And at the very best?

00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:04.406 align:center
Who knows?

00:22:05.699 --> 00:22:06.658 align:center
Who knows?

00:22:07.242 --> 00:22:09.077 align:center
I was standing

00:22:10.871 --> 00:22:12.205 align:center
You were there

00:22:12.289 --> 00:22:13.832 align:center
He was the first in many ways.

00:22:13.915 --> 00:22:16.585 align:center
Two worlds collided

00:22:17.502 --> 00:22:21.048 align:center
And they could never tear us apart

00:22:21.965 --> 00:22:23.884 align:center
And one of those firsts was

00:22:24.843 --> 00:22:26.303 align:center
heartbreak.

00:22:32.184 --> 00:22:33.602 align:center
I was devastated.

00:22:34.436 --> 00:22:36.229 align:center
We could live

00:22:38.815 --> 00:22:40.484 align:center
He was a rock star.

00:22:40.567 --> 00:22:41.735 align:center
Which doesn't just mean

00:22:43.361 --> 00:22:45.822 align:center
that he needs to have
many women in his life,

00:22:45.906 --> 00:22:49.493 align:center
but he needed to go where he needed to go.

00:22:53.830 --> 00:22:56.833 align:center
But I know from people in his circle

00:22:57.667 --> 00:23:01.254 align:center
that he talked of me and thought of me.

00:23:06.843 --> 00:23:08.345 align:center
We were good together.

00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:17.062 align:center
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, whatever.
You know, you go on and live your lives.

00:23:17.938 --> 00:23:20.315 align:center
But it was definitely an amazing

00:23:21.108 --> 00:23:22.692 align:center
point in time.

00:23:22.776 --> 00:23:25.320 align:center
I've probably been looking
for that ever since,

00:23:25.404 --> 00:23:26.988 align:center
and I haven't got it.

00:23:30.659 --> 00:23:31.618 align:center
Really?

00:23:32.536 --> 00:23:33.495 align:center
Yeah.

00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:36.289 align:center
Can I ask, when you think of him today,

00:23:37.124 --> 00:23:38.625 align:center
how does it make you feel?

00:23:43.338 --> 00:23:46.633 align:center
Good, even if I'm getting teary,
because it's just-- It's like,

00:23:47.426 --> 00:23:48.802 align:center
it was all good.

00:23:50.512 --> 00:23:51.346 align:center
Yeah.

00:23:51.429 --> 00:23:52.806 align:center
But to have

00:23:54.182 --> 00:23:57.227 align:center
someone that you really felt like
you were a good team.

00:23:57.978 --> 00:23:58.895 align:center
Yeah.

00:24:01.565 --> 00:24:04.192 align:center
Anyway, we gotta get past that.

00:24:09.948 --> 00:24:12.409 align:center
I didn't know where to go, what to do.

00:24:12.492 --> 00:24:15.954 align:center
And I didn't want to be in London,
I didn't want to be in Australia.

00:24:16.455 --> 00:24:17.289 align:center
And so,

00:24:18.206 --> 00:24:19.708 align:center
I went to Paris.

00:24:21.293 --> 00:24:25.505 align:center
I remember having
a tiny English to French dictionary.

00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:29.551 align:center
I didn't know anyone there,

00:24:29.634 --> 00:24:34.014 align:center
but I had two phone numbers
scratched on a bit of paper.

00:24:34.097 --> 00:24:35.807 align:center
And one of those numbers was

00:24:35.891 --> 00:24:40.437 align:center
a friend of a friend
of a friend of a friend of mine.

00:24:44.900 --> 00:24:46.026 align:center
And…

00:24:47.527 --> 00:24:49.487 align:center
she lived with a girl called Kat.

00:24:50.197 --> 00:24:55.785 align:center
My best, oldest girlfriend,
Katerina Jebb, whose apartment we're in.

00:24:57.370 --> 00:24:59.497 align:center
Kat doesn't like
to be in front of a camera.

00:24:59.581 --> 00:25:01.541 align:center
-I'm out of here.
-À tout à l'heure.

00:25:01.625 --> 00:25:03.668 align:center
-Tell me if you need anything.
-Okay.

00:25:05.170 --> 00:25:06.213 align:center
I'll wail.

00:25:06.296 --> 00:25:11.468 align:center
She is an amazing photographer
with an incredible eye and heart.

00:25:11.551 --> 00:25:12.469 align:center
Bye.

00:25:12.552 --> 00:25:14.721 align:center
-Corners.
-Corners and corners.

00:25:14.804 --> 00:25:16.181 align:center
And more corners.

00:25:16.973 --> 00:25:20.143 align:center
And we say,
"Corners. Love from all corners."

00:25:23.104 --> 00:25:25.565 align:center
Kat Jebb prints. What do we have here?

00:25:25.649 --> 00:25:26.816 align:center
Paris.

00:25:30.862 --> 00:25:33.365 align:center
I moved myself into her apartment.

00:25:33.448 --> 00:25:36.034 align:center
I got a sleeping bag, I slept on the sofa.

00:25:38.453 --> 00:25:43.917 align:center
I was feeling heartbroken
and was escaping my feelings.

00:25:45.293 --> 00:25:48.547 align:center
But we would do photo sessions.

00:25:51.132 --> 00:25:52.384 align:center
Just the two of us.

00:25:53.885 --> 00:25:58.265 align:center
I didn't know who she was
because my exposure to pop culture

00:25:58.348 --> 00:26:00.350 align:center
was not very voluminous.

00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:07.065 align:center
But it was an instantaneous understanding.

00:26:10.277 --> 00:26:11.528 align:center
Going for it?

00:26:11.611 --> 00:26:13.738 align:center
I don't know.

00:26:15.490 --> 00:26:18.076 align:center
I've been the subject
pretty much my entire life.

00:26:19.828 --> 00:26:21.246 align:center
But this was different.

00:26:23.665 --> 00:26:26.585 align:center
We're not doing it
because someone's asked for it.

00:26:28.086 --> 00:26:29.879 align:center
We're doing it because we want to do it.

00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:35.593 align:center
The public persona
versus the private persona.

00:26:35.677 --> 00:26:40.974 align:center
How many people can unveil themselves,
completely unfiltered?

00:26:42.642 --> 00:26:46.229 align:center
I'd been doing very dark lashes
and kind of bouffant,

00:26:46.313 --> 00:26:51.234 align:center
and it was Kat who said to me,
"What about you just let your hair,

00:26:51.318 --> 00:26:54.863 align:center
just let the curls out
or maybe less of the brows or…"

00:26:54.946 --> 00:26:56.656 align:center
And then I went, like, to nothing.

00:26:59.159 --> 00:27:01.202 align:center
Even though a photograph
can capture a moment,

00:27:01.286 --> 00:27:04.372 align:center
can capture a story,
it's really hard to see yourself.

00:27:05.915 --> 00:27:09.127 align:center
There's this camera, there's--
There's a wall. There's a--

00:27:09.210 --> 00:27:12.630 align:center
You see through it.
You can't see it, but there's a divide.

00:27:15.717 --> 00:27:19.971 align:center
And I felt with her,
the invisible wall was gone.

00:27:22.390 --> 00:27:25.143 align:center
And I was looking
through Kat's photographs,

00:27:25.226 --> 00:27:27.562 align:center
and I thought, "Wow, I can see me."

00:27:29.522 --> 00:27:32.108 align:center
She was a real savior to me.

00:27:32.901 --> 00:27:35.987 align:center
I started to feel good and confident

00:27:36.071 --> 00:27:38.990 align:center
as a woman on my own.

00:27:42.452 --> 00:27:44.204 align:center
She has called it the end of an era

00:27:44.287 --> 00:27:45.914 align:center
and they have refused to comment.

00:27:45.997 --> 00:27:48.541 align:center
But Kylie Minogue's relationship
with Pete Waterman Ltd.,

00:27:48.625 --> 00:27:51.503 align:center
her record company
of five years, has ended.

00:27:52.712 --> 00:27:56.633 align:center
Kylie told MTV News that PWL
found it hard to accept the changes.

00:27:57.217 --> 00:27:59.344 align:center
To be honest, I wasn't sad.

00:28:00.095 --> 00:28:02.472 align:center
And I remember,
honestly, I'm not telling you--

00:28:02.555 --> 00:28:04.516 align:center
I had to sit with the staff here

00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.227 align:center
and explain that, at some point,

00:28:07.310 --> 00:28:09.562 align:center
you left home from your mum and dad.

00:28:09.646 --> 00:28:13.233 align:center
Well, this is Kylie leaving home
from her mum and dad

00:28:13.316 --> 00:28:15.735 align:center
and making it on her own.
That's all it is.

00:28:16.277 --> 00:28:17.821 align:center
And that's part of growing up.

00:28:18.571 --> 00:28:20.407 align:center
You know, so, um…

00:28:26.830 --> 00:28:28.331 align:center
we'd come to an end.

00:28:28.415 --> 00:28:30.291 align:center
Things do come to an end, you know.

00:28:35.547 --> 00:28:38.341 align:center
I signed to Deconstruction Records.

00:28:40.468 --> 00:28:42.595 align:center
They had a very independent feel.

00:28:42.679 --> 00:28:45.390 align:center
-David.
-Kylie, how do you do? Nice to meet you.

00:28:48.351 --> 00:28:51.396 align:center
They were open to experimentation

00:28:52.188 --> 00:28:54.899 align:center
and wanted me to be much more involved.

00:28:57.235 --> 00:29:00.822 align:center
And we talked about
a very different vocal delivery.

00:29:02.615 --> 00:29:06.202 align:center
We all get hurt by love

00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:11.040 align:center
And we all have our cross to bear

00:29:11.833 --> 00:29:14.502 align:center
I hadn't done those kind of notes before.

00:29:14.586 --> 00:29:16.880 align:center
But it was like,
feel the fear and do it anyway.

00:29:16.963 --> 00:29:22.677 align:center
Problems should be shared

00:29:23.344 --> 00:29:25.221 align:center
Confide…

00:29:25.305 --> 00:29:27.640 align:center
I'd never done anything like that.

00:29:32.687 --> 00:29:35.899 align:center
Confide…

00:29:35.982 --> 00:29:38.651 align:center
Kylie Minogue returns
to the pop scene this week

00:29:39.444 --> 00:29:41.988 align:center
with a new record and a new sound.

00:29:42.071 --> 00:29:48.286 align:center
Confide in me

00:29:48.369 --> 00:29:49.579 align:center
The new album

00:29:49.662 --> 00:29:53.082 align:center
has widely been greeted
as your bid to become treated

00:29:53.166 --> 00:29:55.168 align:center
as a serious artist for the first time.

00:29:55.251 --> 00:29:57.420 align:center
-Is that how you see it?
-Um…

00:29:57.504 --> 00:30:00.340 align:center
…in me

00:30:02.258 --> 00:30:04.677 align:center
I can use whatever language I like?

00:30:16.481 --> 00:30:19.400 align:center
If Kylie Minogue
represents the Australian dream,

00:30:19.484 --> 00:30:22.487 align:center
then Nick Cave
is surely the Australian nightmare.

00:30:27.367 --> 00:30:28.660 align:center
Attracting a cult following

00:30:28.743 --> 00:30:32.288 align:center
with his twisted lyrics
and darkly wasted image.

00:30:32.372 --> 00:30:33.414 align:center
-Hi.
-Hi.

00:30:33.498 --> 00:30:35.542 align:center
Uh, go all the way down to the end.

00:30:38.628 --> 00:30:42.966 align:center
I think-- I think those songs are written
with a fair amount of disgust for things.

00:30:49.514 --> 00:30:51.891 align:center
Because I'm a pretty disgusted person.

00:30:53.935 --> 00:30:54.811 align:center
You know.

00:30:57.814 --> 00:31:00.275 align:center
Look, I was, um,

00:31:00.358 --> 00:31:01.693 align:center
an observer.

00:31:03.194 --> 00:31:05.905 align:center
And I just always liked her.

00:31:05.989 --> 00:31:07.699 align:center
Whenever I saw her on the TV,

00:31:07.782 --> 00:31:10.201 align:center
there was something
about her that I liked.

00:31:11.452 --> 00:31:14.998 align:center
But, you know, I didn't sit around
and listen to her records or anything.

00:31:15.081 --> 00:31:16.749 align:center
I wasn't, like, a "fan" fan.

00:31:19.377 --> 00:31:23.423 align:center
But there was something that
I recognized in her that I responded to.

00:31:25.508 --> 00:31:27.385 align:center
You don't like to be photographed?

00:31:27.468 --> 00:31:31.681 align:center
No, I don't, really.
So, let's move it along here.

00:31:33.516 --> 00:31:38.146 align:center
It was a strange thing with Kylie
because even though she had mass appeal,

00:31:38.229 --> 00:31:40.231 align:center
you know, she had everything

00:31:40.315 --> 00:31:41.899 align:center
but credibility.

00:31:41.983 --> 00:31:45.445 align:center
And I looked at her because

00:31:46.404 --> 00:31:49.115 align:center
I had credibility, but not much else.

00:31:50.199 --> 00:31:51.534 align:center
Thank you.

00:31:57.332 --> 00:32:01.127 align:center
At that time,
I was writing a bunch of murder songs,

00:32:01.753 --> 00:32:04.923 align:center
so I had a kind of audacious idea

00:32:05.006 --> 00:32:08.134 align:center
for Kylie Minogue to do a murder ballad.

00:32:10.303 --> 00:32:11.471 align:center
Yeah, hello.

00:32:12.472 --> 00:32:16.893 align:center
But there was terrible opposition
from management and so forth,

00:32:16.976 --> 00:32:18.895 align:center
that this is just a fucked-up idea,

00:32:18.978 --> 00:32:20.355 align:center
which it was.

00:32:21.105 --> 00:32:22.899 align:center
This is cool.

00:32:22.982 --> 00:32:25.944 align:center
Storyboard for
"Where the Wild Roses Grow."

00:32:26.027 --> 00:32:27.528 align:center
This is so cool!

00:32:28.237 --> 00:32:31.616 align:center
"Nick observes Kylie's face
and body in water."

00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:35.370 align:center
I was a well-known sort of drug addict.

00:32:35.453 --> 00:32:38.581 align:center
"Close-up angle, static.
Kylie lays in water, tear on cheek."

00:32:38.665 --> 00:32:40.333 align:center
"Flies possibly buzz around face."

00:32:40.416 --> 00:32:44.587 align:center
And the nature of the song was dubious.

00:32:44.671 --> 00:32:48.341 align:center
"Close-up, static.
Nick reaches for rock, again."

00:32:50.385 --> 00:32:53.221 align:center
Yeah, I mean,
that's always been close to my heart.

00:32:53.304 --> 00:32:56.224 align:center
Nick reached out and I was like…

00:32:58.309 --> 00:33:00.019 align:center
"Who?" Like, "Huh?"

00:33:00.103 --> 00:33:04.023 align:center
I was not the demographic
of Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

00:33:04.816 --> 00:33:05.858 align:center
fan club.

00:33:05.942 --> 00:33:08.611 align:center
But there is an Australian thing.

00:33:08.695 --> 00:33:11.948 align:center
They just do shit, right?
They just do stuff.

00:33:12.031 --> 00:33:16.285 align:center
And they don't think about it too much.
They just give stuff a shot, you know.

00:33:16.369 --> 00:33:19.956 align:center
And she's like, "Yeah, okay." And…

00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.750 align:center
I was… I was naive. I didn't know.

00:33:26.504 --> 00:33:29.298 align:center
We were waiting for her
to come into the studio.

00:33:32.218 --> 00:33:35.513 align:center
I don't think anyone had met Kylie before.

00:33:37.432 --> 00:33:41.728 align:center
And the Bad Seeds, we were a dark force.

00:33:43.271 --> 00:33:47.525 align:center
This group of weird,
fucked-up, sort of broken men.

00:33:49.694 --> 00:33:55.575 align:center
A lot of drugs and a contemptuous,
pessimistic view of the world.

00:33:57.493 --> 00:33:59.370 align:center
But when she came into the studio…

00:34:01.831 --> 00:34:05.793 align:center
…she was like this sort of beam of light…

00:34:09.922 --> 00:34:12.550 align:center
…with this incredible positivity.

00:34:16.179 --> 00:34:21.934 align:center
I don't think we'd ever met anyone
in our lives, really, that liked life.

00:34:24.729 --> 00:34:27.023 align:center
Just this sort of bold

00:34:27.815 --> 00:34:28.816 align:center
brightness.

00:34:29.609 --> 00:34:34.238 align:center
And we were really--
We were terrified of it to some degree.

00:34:35.698 --> 00:34:39.118 align:center
From the first day I saw her
I knew she was the one

00:34:39.202 --> 00:34:43.414 align:center
And when she went to record,
she sang in a kind of

00:34:43.498 --> 00:34:49.462 align:center
"Kylie-esque," trained,
a lot of vocal tricks, I guess.

00:34:49.545 --> 00:34:54.300 align:center
And we were like, "Look, forget all that.
Just sing it straight."

00:34:54.383 --> 00:34:56.928 align:center
When he knocked on my door

00:34:57.011 --> 00:34:59.639 align:center
And entered the room

00:34:59.722 --> 00:35:03.684 align:center
Sing it less, like,
almost make it a story.

00:35:03.768 --> 00:35:05.311 align:center
He would be my first man

00:35:05.394 --> 00:35:06.604 align:center
And be a character.

00:35:06.687 --> 00:35:08.648 align:center
And with a careful hand

00:35:08.731 --> 00:35:10.817 align:center
He wiped at the tears

00:35:10.900 --> 00:35:15.321 align:center
And she just did this version of it that
so beautifully haunted the whole thing.

00:35:15.404 --> 00:35:19.784 align:center
They call me the Wild Rose

00:35:19.867 --> 00:35:22.245 align:center
We were just staggered.

00:35:22.328 --> 00:35:26.499 align:center
But my name was Elisa Day

00:35:27.083 --> 00:35:31.712 align:center
Why they call me that, I do not know

00:35:33.297 --> 00:35:36.050 align:center
Good evening, and we have
something very special for you tonight

00:35:36.134 --> 00:35:37.218 align:center
on Top of the Pops.

00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.014 align:center
I remember doing Top of the Pops.

00:35:42.640 --> 00:35:46.686 align:center
I think you can see by the performance,
I don't know what's going on.

00:35:48.229 --> 00:35:50.231 align:center
I'm just sort of bumbling around.

00:35:51.691 --> 00:35:56.070 align:center
You know, the people that turned up
to my concerts were psychos.

00:35:56.904 --> 00:35:59.866 align:center
We would be taking iron bars
and scissors and knives

00:35:59.949 --> 00:36:06.122 align:center
off people in the front row,
so I know about a dangerous audience.

00:36:06.664 --> 00:36:10.543 align:center
But I've never experienced
anything like Kylie Minogue's…

00:36:12.378 --> 00:36:13.254 align:center
…audience.

00:36:13.337 --> 00:36:16.299 align:center
They-- They were terrifying.

00:36:17.758 --> 00:36:22.763 align:center
Just these sort of monstrous,
awful teenage girls.

00:36:24.223 --> 00:36:26.517 align:center
They did not like me.

00:36:26.601 --> 00:36:29.896 align:center
They did not like me
to go near their princess.

00:36:29.979 --> 00:36:31.981 align:center
Well, Nick gets worried that my--

00:36:32.064 --> 00:36:35.526 align:center
My fans didn't like him
or didn't like the project.

00:36:36.027 --> 00:36:38.529 align:center
I don't-- I don't think that's so.

00:36:38.613 --> 00:36:41.407 align:center
And these little girls say,
"You fucking old bastard."

00:36:41.490 --> 00:36:43.784 align:center
"What are you doing,
you horrible old cunt?"

00:36:44.744 --> 00:36:46.746 align:center
They were just evil.

00:36:47.246 --> 00:36:50.958 align:center
So, I couldn't help
but throw my arms around Kylie.

00:36:52.919 --> 00:36:55.922 align:center
And they're just running
their fingers across their throats

00:36:56.005 --> 00:36:58.090 align:center
and saying, "Just don't fucking…"

00:36:58.633 --> 00:37:02.053 align:center
Then they'd turn the cameras towards them,
and they'd be like, "Yay!"

00:37:03.512 --> 00:37:06.223 align:center
Kylie with Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds.

00:37:06.307 --> 00:37:07.725 align:center
Right, well, uh, Madonna…

00:37:07.808 --> 00:37:10.061 align:center
Evil, evil people.

00:37:14.565 --> 00:37:16.359 align:center
I'm a hell of a lot better for seeing you.

00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:20.196 align:center
-Did you read about us in the paper?
-No.

00:37:20.279 --> 00:37:22.198 align:center
-Um…
-What happened?

00:37:22.281 --> 00:37:23.658 align:center
Well, apparently, we're snogging.

00:37:25.326 --> 00:37:26.744 align:center
-And?
-And…

00:37:26.827 --> 00:37:28.079 align:center
So?

00:37:28.162 --> 00:37:32.124 align:center
-They haven't seen tonight's show.
-More snogging than singing was the thing.

00:37:33.709 --> 00:37:35.336 align:center
Our worlds collided.

00:37:35.962 --> 00:37:38.005 align:center
But it was like another kind of

00:37:38.631 --> 00:37:39.882 align:center
love.

00:37:45.054 --> 00:37:49.100 align:center
I sound like I was falling in love
all the time, but it was really,

00:37:49.183 --> 00:37:50.059 align:center
um…

00:37:52.228 --> 00:37:56.440 align:center
some kind of union that wasn't romantic.

00:37:58.693 --> 00:38:00.486 align:center
I think we recognized

00:38:00.569 --> 00:38:03.531 align:center
a vulnerability in each other

00:38:04.657 --> 00:38:08.494 align:center
that we were sort of
I think at that time trying to

00:38:09.578 --> 00:38:10.621 align:center
escape.

00:38:12.290 --> 00:38:14.792 align:center
I was locked into a kind of lifestyle

00:38:14.875 --> 00:38:17.670 align:center
that was becoming
increasingly problematic.

00:38:20.256 --> 00:38:21.549 align:center
But with Kylie,

00:38:22.967 --> 00:38:24.760 align:center
I could see the world…

00:38:27.471 --> 00:38:29.181 align:center
in a positive way.

00:38:33.686 --> 00:38:35.730 align:center
Thank you. I'd like to invite now

00:38:35.813 --> 00:38:38.149 align:center
Miss Kylie Minogue to come up here.

00:38:42.111 --> 00:38:47.616 align:center
And I think she wanted to break free
from the sort of constraints

00:38:47.700 --> 00:38:50.411 align:center
that she thought she was imprisoned by.

00:38:54.373 --> 00:38:56.292 align:center
The prisoner of an image.

00:38:58.878 --> 00:39:05.426 align:center
That she was a sort of brainless
pop pablum, you know, mush.

00:39:05.509 --> 00:39:06.761 align:center
But she had

00:39:07.261 --> 00:39:08.888 align:center
things to say.

00:39:08.971 --> 00:39:10.848 align:center
Particularly with the lyrics.

00:39:10.931 --> 00:39:14.060 align:center
It's, like, the most important thing
you can do, really.

00:39:14.143 --> 00:39:15.519 align:center
If you're writing your own lyrics,

00:39:15.603 --> 00:39:18.105 align:center
you don't have others' thoughts
coming out of your mouth.

00:39:18.189 --> 00:39:20.816 align:center
You're sort of defining yourself in a way.
You don't have…

00:39:20.900 --> 00:39:22.818 align:center
Nick Cave says to me,

00:39:22.902 --> 00:39:24.528 align:center
"Where are your lyrics?"

00:39:26.489 --> 00:39:28.908 align:center
I'm not really
a fully-fledged songwriter yet.

00:39:28.991 --> 00:39:32.119 align:center
If you feel things,
then you're able to write them.

00:39:32.203 --> 00:39:34.872 align:center
So, I hope you do that, Kylie.

00:39:35.998 --> 00:39:38.334 align:center
You know what I did find. Lyrics.

00:39:40.169 --> 00:39:44.465 align:center
I remember trying
to write something that would talk to me.

00:39:46.842 --> 00:39:49.970 align:center
"I wanted to be your lonesome cowboy.
I wanted to love you till it hurt."

00:39:50.054 --> 00:39:51.263 align:center
Oh, wow.

00:39:51.347 --> 00:39:52.348 align:center
That-- That was a lyric.

00:39:52.431 --> 00:39:54.934 align:center
That's not my writing.
Someone else wrote in my book.

00:39:55.017 --> 00:39:58.813 align:center
"She wanted to be stopped
in time suspended. It was the best ever…"

00:39:58.896 --> 00:40:00.898 align:center
So, that obviously didn't make it.

00:40:00.981 --> 00:40:04.193 align:center
I mean, it's really terrible.

00:40:04.276 --> 00:40:08.280 align:center
This is going to sound really terrible
when I say it. You can't wait, can you?

00:40:09.073 --> 00:40:12.243 align:center
"Who would have thought that little girl

00:40:12.326 --> 00:40:14.161 align:center
would end up living out
her wildest dreams?"

00:40:15.329 --> 00:40:18.040 align:center
Sometimes it sounds
really not so great saying it.

00:40:18.124 --> 00:40:21.585 align:center
There's a lot of absolute tosh in here.

00:40:21.669 --> 00:40:23.879 align:center
There's got to be something in here.

00:40:24.505 --> 00:40:25.756 align:center
Huh.

00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:32.388 align:center
"I wanted to sometimes be irresponsible.
I wanted to own the choice I made."

00:40:33.264 --> 00:40:34.723 align:center
Quite revealing.

00:40:34.807 --> 00:40:35.975 align:center
In what way?

00:40:37.935 --> 00:40:41.730 align:center
If it's not self-explanatory,
it's not very revealing at all.

00:40:45.067 --> 00:40:48.279 align:center
But then I caught something
from the creative ether.

00:40:48.362 --> 00:40:51.282 align:center
Caught up in this house
Trapped my very own self in…

00:40:51.365 --> 00:40:52.741 align:center
It felt like

00:40:53.242 --> 00:40:54.702 align:center
a fire

00:40:55.744 --> 00:40:57.121 align:center
was just, like, coming out of me.

00:40:57.204 --> 00:40:58.122 align:center
Oh, gosh.

00:41:00.833 --> 00:41:04.545 align:center
It was like contained rage.

00:41:04.628 --> 00:41:06.172 align:center
Lured into this den

00:41:06.255 --> 00:41:07.715 align:center
It's bitter and I want…

00:41:07.798 --> 00:41:11.677 align:center
"I wanted to find a way
to put an end to all of my destruction."

00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.512 align:center
"I wanted to know what I was worth."

00:41:14.555 --> 00:41:16.891 align:center
She really was… She, I.

00:41:16.974 --> 00:41:20.686 align:center
Too many, too much, too hard
Help me…

00:41:20.769 --> 00:41:22.062 align:center
I was just really in it.

00:41:23.189 --> 00:41:24.648 align:center
I wasn't separate to the song.

00:41:25.691 --> 00:41:28.152 align:center
Well, I would make it slower and shorter.

00:41:28.235 --> 00:41:31.280 align:center
…this time I went too far, too far…

00:41:31.363 --> 00:41:35.242 align:center
I really wanted to be more than one facet.

00:41:35.868 --> 00:41:39.955 align:center
I have so many characters
lurking in my body, it's frightening.

00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:40.998 align:center
I'm possessed.

00:41:43.209 --> 00:41:44.835 align:center
Too far

00:41:45.586 --> 00:41:47.379 align:center
It was much more on the edge.

00:41:49.340 --> 00:41:51.050 align:center
I was very on the edge, clearly.

00:41:52.718 --> 00:41:54.303 align:center
I didn't want to say it.

00:41:55.763 --> 00:41:57.014 align:center
What do you mean?

00:41:57.097 --> 00:41:59.934 align:center
Too many, too much, too hard

00:42:00.017 --> 00:42:03.562 align:center
Her new album, two years in the making.

00:42:04.355 --> 00:42:05.606 align:center
Let's get this lady out here.

00:42:05.689 --> 00:42:08.734 align:center
The impossible princess herself.
Ladies and gentlemen, Kylie Minogue!

00:42:10.736 --> 00:42:13.489 align:center
Have you totally disowned
those really early songs now?

00:42:14.448 --> 00:42:18.452 align:center
I've not been able to say,
"I should be so lucky," in so many years.

00:42:18.536 --> 00:42:20.746 align:center
And in a way, it was a slight exorcism.

00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:22.915 align:center
Too far, too far

00:42:22.998 --> 00:42:28.337 align:center
There was an honesty and a purity
and a "I'm just putting it out there."

00:42:29.088 --> 00:42:32.049 align:center
It's definitely the most
personal work I've ever done.

00:42:32.633 --> 00:42:33.968 align:center
Too far

00:42:34.051 --> 00:42:36.345 align:center
Is that nerve-racking, when it goes out?

00:42:36.428 --> 00:42:38.264 align:center
Yeah. Scary.

00:42:40.266 --> 00:42:41.850 align:center
Too many, too much…

00:42:41.934 --> 00:42:44.019 align:center
And then I saw it on a billboard.

00:42:44.103 --> 00:42:46.105 align:center
You didn't know about the billboard?

00:42:46.939 --> 00:42:47.773 align:center
Look.

00:42:47.856 --> 00:42:49.942 align:center
There was a billboard that said,

00:42:50.526 --> 00:42:53.445 align:center
"We've decided what to do
with Kylie's music."

00:42:54.571 --> 00:42:55.823 align:center
"Don't play it."

00:42:56.782 --> 00:42:57.783 align:center
Boom!

00:43:00.452 --> 00:43:01.996 align:center
A royal slap.

00:43:02.913 --> 00:43:04.707 align:center
-Test for sound?
-Go on.

00:43:04.790 --> 00:43:07.543 align:center
One, two, three, four, five.
Here we are at Tower Records.

00:43:07.626 --> 00:43:10.045 align:center
-Have you started? Sorry.
-Just about to.

00:43:10.129 --> 00:43:11.672 align:center
Thank you.

00:43:12.339 --> 00:43:13.382 align:center
Okay?

00:43:13.465 --> 00:43:15.509 align:center
If I could first start
by asking about the new album.

00:43:15.593 --> 00:43:18.137 align:center
I don't think I was on the radio at all.

00:43:18.220 --> 00:43:20.222 align:center
How did it all come about?

00:43:20.306 --> 00:43:21.223 align:center
Uh…

00:43:21.307 --> 00:43:24.810 align:center
In fact, some stations
were actively not playing me.

00:43:28.105 --> 00:43:31.150 align:center
In the house tonight,
wielding the new Mohican, Jason Donovan.

00:43:31.233 --> 00:43:33.527 align:center
Kylie Minogue. Do you follow her career?

00:43:33.611 --> 00:43:36.405 align:center
Her kind of venture
with the latest album, doing indie stuff.

00:43:36.488 --> 00:43:39.533 align:center
-What do you think of that?
-It hasn't worked, I don't think.

00:43:40.701 --> 00:43:41.827 align:center
Kylie!

00:43:42.453 --> 00:43:44.163 align:center
Kylie! Kylie!

00:43:51.545 --> 00:43:53.756 align:center
Some people just want to

00:43:55.507 --> 00:43:58.344 align:center
watch you crumble,
and they're on to the next person.

00:43:58.427 --> 00:44:00.638 align:center
Pop. Disposable. Pop. Disposable.

00:44:00.721 --> 00:44:02.765 align:center
Other teen sensations have come and gone.

00:44:02.848 --> 00:44:06.560 align:center
What do you think your appeal is,
and why haven't you sort of disappeared?

00:44:06.644 --> 00:44:09.480 align:center
You'd be better off asking
other people that than me.

00:44:09.563 --> 00:44:12.816 align:center
I can't be that self-analytical,
I don't think.

00:44:13.776 --> 00:44:15.611 align:center
Many, many times I just thought,

00:44:15.694 --> 00:44:18.614 align:center
"I don't-- I just honestly
don't know if this is worth it."

00:44:19.573 --> 00:44:22.910 align:center
Just tell me about the album.
It's not an overly imaginative title.

00:44:24.662 --> 00:44:27.581 align:center
And the minute
you start trying to defend yourself…

00:44:29.750 --> 00:44:30.876 align:center
they've won.

00:44:32.294 --> 00:44:34.963 align:center
Is there truth to the rumors
you and Dannii aren't talking?

00:44:36.048 --> 00:44:37.841 align:center
Excuse me, where are you from?

00:44:37.925 --> 00:44:39.593 align:center
-Is that a serious question?
-Yeah.

00:44:39.676 --> 00:44:41.679 align:center
-Is there any truth we're not talking?
-Yeah.

00:44:41.762 --> 00:44:44.848 align:center
I find that so ridiculous.

00:44:47.309 --> 00:44:49.937 align:center
Do you think she's had it
in terms of the music industry?

00:44:50.020 --> 00:44:52.022 align:center
I-I never thought she had it
in the first place.

00:44:53.357 --> 00:44:54.858 align:center
I made Deconstruction no money.

00:44:55.859 --> 00:44:59.655 align:center
Zippo. Nada. Rien. Nothing. So,

00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.408 align:center
she's off the books.

00:45:03.826 --> 00:45:05.703 align:center
I thought, "I'm going to act again,"

00:45:05.786 --> 00:45:10.582 align:center
because there was enough people
who were thinking, if not saying,

00:45:10.666 --> 00:45:12.960 align:center
"That's it. It's done."

00:45:33.605 --> 00:45:35.524 align:center
I got a phone call.

00:45:36.024 --> 00:45:36.900 align:center
And yeah.

00:45:41.572 --> 00:45:46.326 align:center
I don't remember what words she said,
but it was, like, "He's gone."

00:45:52.249 --> 00:45:55.711 align:center
I got the flight back
to Sydney for the funeral.

00:45:58.547 --> 00:46:00.841 align:center
And I just went, "Oh!"

00:46:00.924 --> 00:46:03.385 align:center
"That's another first. It's my first, um,

00:46:04.511 --> 00:46:06.513 align:center
service that I've been to. Like…"

00:46:07.222 --> 00:46:09.391 align:center
"Okay, always with the firsts."

00:46:09.475 --> 00:46:10.601 align:center
You know?

00:46:15.397 --> 00:46:18.817 align:center
We gather to mourn the death

00:46:18.901 --> 00:46:23.071 align:center
of someone whom most of us barely knew.

00:46:26.450 --> 00:46:28.076 align:center
We listened to him sing…

00:46:29.787 --> 00:46:32.623 align:center
and felt that it was for us alone.

00:46:33.790 --> 00:46:36.710 align:center
We're here today to mourn the death

00:46:38.003 --> 00:46:39.505 align:center
of Michael Hutchence.

00:46:43.258 --> 00:46:45.344 align:center
It might seem disproportionate,

00:46:45.427 --> 00:46:50.224 align:center
the emotion and the memories
I have with him and with that time.

00:46:52.893 --> 00:46:56.855 align:center
But I just felt protected
and nurtured and valued

00:46:56.939 --> 00:46:59.900 align:center
and believed in.

00:47:02.653 --> 00:47:05.864 align:center
Someone you counted on is gone.

00:47:05.948 --> 00:47:09.701 align:center
I remember being at the church,
and it was overwhelming,

00:47:09.785 --> 00:47:12.287 align:center
the outpouring of love for him.

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Someone who was your rock is no more.

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It's going to sound totally crazy,
but I felt him just saying,

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"It's okay. It will be okay."

00:47:25.676 --> 00:47:27.511 align:center
I always feel he's with me.

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It's kind of crazy, but I do.

00:47:35.644 --> 00:47:37.646 align:center
Which is so, like, you can--

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You can have relationships with…

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as I have had, you know,
relationships with different people

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but someone that really just believed in…

00:47:47.614 --> 00:47:49.783 align:center
believes in you so much.

00:47:53.620 --> 00:47:55.706 align:center
Here's an important point.

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He really didn't want me
to be someone else for him at all.

00:48:03.338 --> 00:48:05.465 align:center
He was encouraging me

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to discover me.

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Fuck.

00:48:34.661 --> 00:48:37.122 align:center
I had a kind of harebrained idea.

00:48:37.956 --> 00:48:40.125 align:center
Now without further ado,
I'd like to introduce

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the first of the talented
and totally diverse artists and writers…

00:48:44.338 --> 00:48:48.342 align:center
I was asked to go and perform
at this thing called the Poetry Olympics.

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Two days and nights

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of continuous poetry
that was put on at the Albert Hall.

00:48:58.185 --> 00:49:02.147 align:center
"Here is a love
that makes its bargain with bad habits."

00:49:02.230 --> 00:49:05.317 align:center
"Tell me lies about Vietnam."

00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.527 align:center
"You can have sex with anyone,

00:49:08.278 --> 00:49:11.490 align:center
but with whom can you sleep?"

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This had some great poets in it,
but mostly it was just this endless,

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worthy

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art.

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"When I take off my head,
the head looks into my bleeding neck."

00:49:26.672 --> 00:49:29.216 align:center
"The fucking baby's crying,
the fucking flower's dying."

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People had been sitting in their chairs,
I think, for, you know,

00:49:36.556 --> 00:49:38.725 align:center
a day listening to poetry.

00:49:42.062 --> 00:49:43.647 align:center
I was seeing Kylie quite a bit.

00:49:43.730 --> 00:49:45.440 align:center
Thank you.

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And I'm like, "Why don't you come along
and recite something?"

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I was thinking, "Are you mad?"

00:49:53.532 --> 00:49:57.035 align:center
"The sword of Damocles
is hanging over all of us."

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This is not my world.
I'm not-- I'm not from the literary world.

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"In view of that,
what subject can we sensibly discuss?"

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So, I tried everything to get out of it.

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She said she tried to get out of it.

00:50:11.299 --> 00:50:14.052 align:center
-Really? We weren't having any of that.
-Yeah.

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"For what is liberty
without the liberty to act?"

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And I said to Nick,

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"God's on stage. How do we follow that?"

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He said, "Jesus did okay."

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And then he went out.

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The way I remember it is that,

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which-- Which I'm surprised
I can remember anything at all

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because we were so out of it.

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"Ho, ho, ho."

00:50:43.999 --> 00:50:46.793 align:center
"Ho, ho, ho."

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Thank you.

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I would like to bring out the flame-like
Kylie Minogue, ladies and gentlemen.

00:50:55.927 --> 00:50:57.721 align:center
She walked on…

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this pop princess up against

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the most elitist art form
there is, of poetry.

00:51:07.939 --> 00:51:09.775 align:center
Why, thank you.

00:51:10.567 --> 00:51:12.069 align:center
Well, I didn't expect to be here,

00:51:12.152 --> 00:51:15.530 align:center
but I-I have come
with words that I did not write,

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which I shall read to you.

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"In my imagination,

00:51:31.421 --> 00:51:33.298 align:center
there is no hesitation."

00:51:34.132 --> 00:51:35.967 align:center
"I dream about you all the time."

00:51:38.011 --> 00:51:41.431 align:center
And I could hear the recognition,

00:51:41.515 --> 00:51:44.392 align:center
that the audience--
They were with me and with us.

00:51:45.936 --> 00:51:49.231 align:center
"In my imagination,
there is no complication."

00:51:49.731 --> 00:51:51.817 align:center
"We walk together hand in hand."

00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:53.610 align:center
She just broke the night open…

00:51:53.693 --> 00:51:57.114 align:center
"And I'm dreaming
that you're in love with me."

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…with poetry that we could understand.

00:52:03.161 --> 00:52:04.955 align:center
"I should be so lucky."

00:52:06.915 --> 00:52:09.584 align:center
"Lucky, lucky, lucky."

00:52:11.419 --> 00:52:13.839 align:center
"I should be so lucky in love."

00:52:13.922 --> 00:52:15.006 align:center
Thank you.

00:52:17.801 --> 00:52:20.470 align:center
It was like being
face-to-face with my old self.

00:52:23.557 --> 00:52:26.184 align:center
The one that I was trying
to turn my back on.

00:52:29.563 --> 00:52:31.523 align:center
I don't know if I said this outright,

00:52:31.606 --> 00:52:33.525 align:center
but I'm like,
"What the fuck are you doing?"

00:52:33.608 --> 00:52:35.402 align:center
Like, "Indie?" I mean,

00:52:36.319 --> 00:52:39.990 align:center
no one willingly wants to be indie.

00:52:43.493 --> 00:52:45.162 align:center
They may say they do.

00:52:48.206 --> 00:52:50.292 align:center
Kylie Minogue, ladies and gentlemen.

00:52:51.418 --> 00:52:54.212 align:center
But that's not what Kylie is, you know.

00:52:54.296 --> 00:52:56.840 align:center
Kylie is this force…

00:53:02.137 --> 00:53:07.350 align:center
…that is there to affect thousands
and thousands and thousands of people.

00:53:10.478 --> 00:53:12.147 align:center
It's all outward.

00:53:13.398 --> 00:53:15.066 align:center
It's all giving.

00:53:17.068 --> 00:53:20.030 align:center
You have an enormous positive influence.

00:53:20.113 --> 00:53:23.200 align:center
These people that go along
to their first pop concert,

00:53:23.283 --> 00:53:26.494 align:center
it's a life-changing moment
where they feel

00:53:27.621 --> 00:53:30.457 align:center
something that they've never known before.

00:53:31.958 --> 00:53:37.088 align:center
The great beauty of pop music
is that it is a joy machine.

00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.470 align:center
You've got the coolest guy on the planet…

00:53:45.764 --> 00:53:47.974 align:center
saying, "Where's the pop tunes?"

00:53:52.354 --> 00:53:56.316 align:center
Right, let's get the jet packs on
and get back to the dance floor.

00:53:58.401 --> 00:54:02.405 align:center
But if this doesn't work, I am finished.

00:54:04.574 --> 00:54:07.118 align:center
I'm spinning around

00:54:07.202 --> 00:54:09.204 align:center
Move out of my way

00:54:09.287 --> 00:54:13.124 align:center
I know you're feeling me
'Cause you like it like this

00:54:13.208 --> 00:54:15.168 align:center
I'm breaking it down

00:54:15.252 --> 00:54:17.170 align:center
I'm not the same

00:54:17.254 --> 00:54:20.257 align:center
I know you're feeling me
'Cause you like it like…