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Come on!

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Kylie Minogue
has been showing off her new man,

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INXS lead singer Michael Hutchence.

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The couple at last going public
with their romance.

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There was concern from my team.
They thought, "Uh-oh."

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Uh-oh!

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She's too cute and good for him,
and he's too bad and hot for her.

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My heart is my alibi, only you…

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Yeah, well, I think people
are going to be a bit shocked.

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-Like I do, do
-Do

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Kylie Minogue has come out
and said she has never used hard drugs.

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Do you, uh, ever try
and tempt her to do anything harder?

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What were the nights out like?

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-Just fun.
-Good.

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What do I have to do
To get the message through…?

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No, she can do what she wants.

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I never tempt anybody to do anything.
She's on a real high herself.

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She doesn't need anything, you know.

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How much fun?

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It was a lot of fun.

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How much?

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According to some newspapers,
I read you've discovered sex.

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Would you like me
to comment further on that?

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Yes, I would.

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Um, well, no I can't. Sorry.

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What are you trying to get to?

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How devilish was I?

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I was devilish enough.

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What do I have to do
To get the message through?

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Let's get your sister
out of the way quickly. Is she in love?

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He was this sexy rock god
that men and women just went…

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He just oozed confidence,
and confidence is sexy.

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How can I prove
That I really love you, love you?

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In her world back then
confidence was just everything.

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How can I prove
That I really love you, love you?

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But I remember

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it was like she'd fallen head over heels.

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That's for sure.

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-Yeah.
-Okay, it's okay.

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We are now
on the Orient Express on June 26th.

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This is an American couple
filming this young Australian couple,

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who are here to have a great time.

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-You're on the air.
-Yeah.

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Yes, he was this wild guy.

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But his intention was good,
even if we weren't being so good.

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Everything was done with a lot of love.

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They've drunk all the champagne.

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-Oh, cut.
-Cut.

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Cut.

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I had so many firsts with him.

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Kylie.

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Hi.

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I'd never felt like I had blinkers on.

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But he took them off.

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I was at the perfect age.
I was 21 years old.

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That's nice.

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He was hilarious.

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And cultured.

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And tender.

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I love seeing the ones that are…

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That's not the shot.

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The moments around the shot.

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I just felt like I had my person there.

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Can I film you?

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I really did.

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-Movie star.
-Oh!

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-Movie star in Italy.
-In Italy.

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You can see it
in any pictures from then as well.

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Maybe life wasn't going
so fast for a second,

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because I remember all of it.

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Like being on that boat
in Hong Kong with that feeling of promise.

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I felt like a jewel.

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If you dropped it,
it would smash, but if you protected it…

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it could shine.

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Are you going to marry him?

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It would be nice to be proposed to,
but I don't know, we'll have to see.

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At the time I got in to see INXS
recording in the studio.

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And I loved it.

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I loved being in amongst that.

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I felt like I'd discovered a tribe.

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I thought it was amazing
to see them write songs together

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and have ownership over the end result.

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You know, we're pretty much equal.

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We tend to discuss things.

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I'll say, "I think this,"
and if they all go,

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"Oh, yeah, we agree with that,"
then it'll go into songs.

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It must be that way.
You have to be true to yourself.

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Then it was like a light bulb.

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I wanted to express myself more,

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and I just hadn't had that before.

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I knew this was the turning point.

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She had a rock-star boyfriend.

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Michael gave her the confidence
to be confident.

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Whatever I did,
I knew she wasn't going to like.

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Remember the old days

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Remember the…

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The snare drum in.

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…days

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The guitar.

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Rhythm

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A bit more guitar.

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Here's a hi-hat.

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I'd started making noise.

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I've got an idea. I mean,
what about this and what about that?

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We hadn't got time to discuss anything,

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because, you know,
we didn't have the time.

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I became really frustrated.

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It felt like fighting against the system.

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Another 15 number ones.

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I know we've had 142 top 20s.

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I mean, I've lost count.

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I wanted to explore different ideas,
be open to… to change.

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That's not what the public want.
That's not what the public want.

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The public want "I Should Be So Lucky."

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Ooh, well, um…

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I'm just tired of playing it so safe.

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And I should be allowed to speak.

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I should be allowed to have some input.

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Just to be able to have something
to do with my work, you know.

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Not just be the face for it.

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It's like someone was strangling
any creativity that I had.

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And by being forced to be quiet,

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shut up and listen,
I learnt a lot that way.

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And so, if things don't change,

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I won't be here anymore.

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Unless I could have things my way.

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Listen, I have two daughters,

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and at some point,
the old man don't know as much as they do.

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That's called growing up.

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I didn't use to be able to say "no."

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You do now.

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I certainly do now.

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Yeah, I do.

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I was reclaiming my sense of self.

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And that's when I discovered that
there were many more Kylies out there.

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It's on the hour
to come amongst you and amaze you

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with absolutely incredible,
out-of-this-world sounds.

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Look out. Here we go.

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I think my manager had said…

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"There's a Kylie night."

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And I'd never heard of a Kylie night.

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Like, "What?"

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Everybody's doing
A brand-new dance now

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Come on, baby, do the loco-motion

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"There's drag performers dressed as you."

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"Do you want to go?"

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"Yeah."

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When you can't find the music
To get down and boogie

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It was like, "Wow."

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…step back in time

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In my imagination
There is no hesitation…

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Like, supersonic versions of me.

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I'm dreaming

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…such a fool, I couldn't stop myself…

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And this was a time
when it was in to really not like me.

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I know you'll wait for me
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa

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And I ended up on stage

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at this drag bar.

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And I felt like the least Kylie there.

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Yeah, I thought, "I gotta step it up."

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"I gotta get some lashes on
and some eyeliner."

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Pete Waterman had been badgered
sufficiently to go,

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"All right kid. What do you want?"

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"What kind of music do you want to make?"

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And I think that might be
the first time he really asked me that.

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I just had had enough.

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She was going to clubs.

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She's now part of that whole club scene.

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If you're in that, you'll want
your records to sound like that.

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Tell me…

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Why do you think it suits people
to portray you as a bimbo?

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Because it's easy
and then I'm not a threat to them.

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There's something pretty
remarkable about young Kylie Minogue.

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Gossip columnists write her off
as "the Singing Budgie."

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Well, the budgie's feathers are ruffled.

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Monday, 29 Jan. 10:30 sharp.

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I remember that gig.

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Call you a liar to your face
Because I'm shocked by the power

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We called ourselves "Singing budgies."

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Shocked by the power…

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I remember what I was wearing.

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My amazing shiny tights

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that I was obsessed with.

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Shocked by the power…

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I remember Michael being
smack bang in the middle of the crowd.

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Kylie's got this real sweet,
innocent image.

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Kylie's really not the person
that people think she is.

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There's a lot of strength.

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"Singing Budgie," you know,
it's a horrible title.

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Whoever wrote that is probably fat
and bald, and 50 years old but look 70,

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and they've got bad breath
and can't control themselves.

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Um, and they're probably jealous.

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…you are really mine
Because I'm shocked by the power

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We'd gone from "I Should Be So Lucky"

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to Kylie the diva in one fell swoop.

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She wanted to see the video makers.

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She wanted her own stylists.

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The guys that
we worked with here for years,

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she just went,
"I won't work with them anymore."

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Whether it's stylists
or photographers or whoever,

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I'm working with them rather than
just being force-fed their ideas.

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Shocked by the power…

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I was running from the '80s.

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The sheen of it. The era of it.

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The puppeteering
or the having no substance.

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And as soon as I had
my image in my little grasp…

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…all over you, I'm high…

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…by God, I would turn into a lunatic.

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…track of time and falling free
I can't believe that you are really mine

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Because I'm shocked by the power

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Ooh, ooh, shocked by the power

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Those few bars we heard there

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are the first time
anybody's heard your new single.

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-Yeah, that's right.
-And a videotape.

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Yeah, that's being sent over tomorrow,
actually, and it's quite different.

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Is it?

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Oh! Oh my God. Oh my God.

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This is it. This is the moment. Ooh!

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Watch the hair.

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Holy Mary Mother of God.

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I guess I was taking the power back.

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Shocked by the power…

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Yeah, just saying, "All right."

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"Let's go."

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…shocked to my very foundations

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Okay, your thoughts, please?

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Oh my God, the press will ban it.
I think it'll be banned. I know it'll be.

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-Terry?
-Perfect. They're gonna hate it.

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-Mum?
-What's your dad gonna say?

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It's gonna be banned.

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Kylie Minogue,
the squeaky-clean next-door neighbor,

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kicks off her tour tonight.

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She'll be putting her new
look and new sound through their paces.

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Here we go.

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Right, right, right.

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Kylie, what can the fans expect?

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It's lots of fun.
It's just an hour and a half

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of letting go
and just enjoying themselves.

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The papers in England
have said your show's raunchier this time.

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-Is that right?
-Well, they've gone a little extreme.

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It's not an X-rated show or anything.

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Is that when I was wearing,
like, really raunchy outfits?

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She couldn't have picked
a worse thing to do.

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Kylie arrived by coach in Dublin

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after a four-hour journey from Belfast.

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It's great to finally be here.

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There's been talk
about a changing image for Kylie Minogue.

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Yeah, I saw that in the paper today.

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-Nice hairdo, Yvonne!
-Good.

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What can people expect when they see you?

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Well…

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Lots of choreography.

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Fabulous costumes.

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My outfits have been designed
by John Galliano.

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After checking her out,
seeing how she danced, how she moved,

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getting to know her personality,
I went away and did some drawings.

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So, my first outfit
was very inspired by Lolita.

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And it's worn over a frilly bra
and body slip with built-in knickers.

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Everybody's going, "Oh, this is…"
I was going, "No, no, no. Whoa!"

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"This is Kylie's wish."

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-Ready? Five, six, seven, eight.
-Five, six, seven, eight.

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And one, two, three, four.

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"This is what she wants to do."

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Hi, Kylie!

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Hey!

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Three. Wiggle the bum.
That's it, girls. Wiggle it, wiggle it.

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She's got to find out for herself.

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I don't want people
to know what to expect.

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I want them to come with an open mind.

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Yeah, it was-- We went a bit far.
I'm not going to lie. We went a bit far.

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I mean, maybe it was good in real,
but it didn't look good in a freeze-frame.

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I'm going to defend it with that.

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Does that help? I think it does help.

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But I know what you're going to cut to.

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Now our next guest shocked her young fans

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by strutting across the stage
in some of this getup.

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I don't have to describe it too much.

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-Kylie, good morning.
-Hi, how are you?

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I'm very well. How do you react?

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I mean, did you read all the criticism
or did you throw most of it away?

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I… I saw some of it.

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They say that you look
a bit like Madonna now,

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or you're trying to model yourself on her.

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When we say "they,"
we're talking about tabloid press.

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Yeah.

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That was tricky,
to defend those decisions.

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With your new tour now,
there is such controversy.

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Yeah, I'm a bit surprised.

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She kind of went too far

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prancing around
the Dublin stage in lingerie.

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She went from the girl next door

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to the girl next door
who's been around the block.

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It's much raunchier.

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Yes, I mean, I don't really like
to call myself raunchy.

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We've just seen your raunchy new video.

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That new raunchy image.

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-It's certainly fairly raw, isn't it?
-Raw?

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Well, raw as in raunchy, I mean.

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Now, there was a time when you said
you were raunchier than your sister.

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She's changed the image, hasn't she?

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Yeah, she has lately.

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I remember thinking, "This is so boring,

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repetitive…

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stupid."

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To hear that Kylie Minogue is too sexy

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is a bit like hearing that Mary Poppins
has turned into a hooker.

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I mean, imagine you just show up
to work every day and you just…

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Like…

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There's even been speculation
in Australia that you've had a boob job.

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Oh, dear.

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One magazine even went
as far as showing before and after shots.

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It's exhausting.

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And then as a female pop artist,

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if you say something,

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you're a bitch,
you've got an ego, you're a diva.

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Many mothers are complaining.

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No, well, you know,

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if you're going to interview me
having researched tabloid newspapers,

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there's no point talking to me
because I didn't see loads of mothers

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storming out with their children.

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And if you're a guy and you say,
"Shut up, that's not true," people go,

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"Fair enough. He's right."

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One mother. So, I get questioned.

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God, well, you know,
parents were storming out with their kids.

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It's rubbish.

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I am disappointed at the moment
because I'm not trying to--

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I'm trying to be myself.

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But whenever the going got tough,

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I had that love and support from Michael.

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"INXS is the first non-American group

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to land six consecutive
top ten hits in the Hot 100

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since Culture Club in 1983-84."

20:52.960 --> 20:54.378
-Wow.
-Serious?

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Really?

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But Michael was touring
all over the world.

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So, it became really hard
for us to see each other.

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So I would send video messages to him.

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Is it telling you it's low light?

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One, two, three.

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Kylie says, "Hello to Michael"!

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-Mum and Yvonne.
-Hi!

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Hi, Michael!

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Just going on again.

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I'll think of another message
to give you very shortly.

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But it just became
more and more difficult.

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Are you still in love with Kylie?

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God, Jeff.

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Don't ask me…

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Don't ask me ques--
No, that's too private, you know.

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At the very least, we're very good friends
and always will be.

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Yeah.

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-It's not…
-And at the very best?

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Who knows?

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Who knows?

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I was standing

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You were there

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He was the first in many ways.

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Two worlds collided

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And they could never tear us apart

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And one of those firsts was

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heartbreak.

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I was devastated.

22:34.436 --> 22:36.229
We could live

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He was a rock star.

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Which doesn't just mean

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that he needs to have
many women in his life,

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but he needed to go where he needed to go.

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But I know from people in his circle

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that he talked of me and thought of me.

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We were good together.

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Shoulda, woulda, coulda, whatever.
You know, you go on and live your lives.

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But it was definitely an amazing

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point in time.

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I've probably been looking
for that ever since,

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and I haven't got it.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Can I ask, when you think of him today,

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how does it make you feel?

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Good, even if I'm getting teary,
because it's just-- It's like,

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it was all good.

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Yeah.

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But to have

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someone that you really felt like
you were a good team.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, we gotta get past that.

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I didn't know where to go, what to do.

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And I didn't want to be in London,
I didn't want to be in Australia.

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And so,

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I went to Paris.

24:21.293 --> 24:25.505
I remember having
a tiny English to French dictionary.

24:27.799 --> 24:29.551
I didn't know anyone there,

24:29.634 --> 24:34.014
but I had two phone numbers
scratched on a bit of paper.

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And one of those numbers was

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a friend of a friend
of a friend of a friend of mine.

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And…

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she lived with a girl called Kat.

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My best, oldest girlfriend,
Katerina Jebb, whose apartment we're in.

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Kat doesn't like
to be in front of a camera.

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-I'm out of here.
-À tout à l'heure.

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-Tell me if you need anything.
-Okay.

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I'll wail.

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She is an amazing photographer
with an incredible eye and heart.

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Bye.

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-Corners.
-Corners and corners.

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And more corners.

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And we say,
"Corners. Love from all corners."

25:23.104 --> 25:25.565
Kat Jebb prints. What do we have here?

25:25.649 --> 25:26.816
Paris.

25:30.862 --> 25:33.365
I moved myself into her apartment.

25:33.448 --> 25:36.034
I got a sleeping bag, I slept on the sofa.

25:38.453 --> 25:43.917
I was feeling heartbroken
and was escaping my feelings.

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But we would do photo sessions.

25:51.132 --> 25:52.384
Just the two of us.

25:53.885 --> 25:58.265
I didn't know who she was
because my exposure to pop culture

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was not very voluminous.

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But it was an instantaneous understanding.

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Going for it?

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I don't know.

26:15.490 --> 26:18.076
I've been the subject
pretty much my entire life.

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But this was different.

26:23.665 --> 26:26.585
We're not doing it
because someone's asked for it.

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We're doing it because we want to do it.

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The public persona
versus the private persona.

26:35.677 --> 26:40.974
How many people can unveil themselves,
completely unfiltered?

26:42.642 --> 26:46.229
I'd been doing very dark lashes
and kind of bouffant,

26:46.313 --> 26:51.234
and it was Kat who said to me,
"What about you just let your hair,

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just let the curls out
or maybe less of the brows or…"

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And then I went, like, to nothing.

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Even though a photograph
can capture a moment,

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can capture a story,
it's really hard to see yourself.

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There's this camera, there's--
There's a wall. There's a--

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You see through it.
You can't see it, but there's a divide.

27:15.717 --> 27:19.971
And I felt with her,
the invisible wall was gone.

27:22.390 --> 27:25.143
And I was looking
through Kat's photographs,

27:25.226 --> 27:27.562
and I thought, "Wow, I can see me."

27:29.522 --> 27:32.108
She was a real savior to me.

27:32.901 --> 27:35.987
I started to feel good and confident

27:36.071 --> 27:38.990
as a woman on my own.

27:42.452 --> 27:44.204
She has called it the end of an era

27:44.287 --> 27:45.914
and they have refused to comment.

27:45.997 --> 27:48.541
But Kylie Minogue's relationship
with Pete Waterman Ltd.,

27:48.625 --> 27:51.503
her record company
of five years, has ended.

27:52.712 --> 27:56.633
Kylie told MTV News that PWL
found it hard to accept the changes.

27:57.217 --> 27:59.344
To be honest, I wasn't sad.

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And I remember,
honestly, I'm not telling you--

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I had to sit with the staff here

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and explain that, at some point,

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you left home from your mum and dad.

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Well, this is Kylie leaving home
from her mum and dad

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and making it on her own.
That's all it is.

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And that's part of growing up.

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You know, so, um…

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we'd come to an end.

28:28.415 --> 28:30.291
Things do come to an end, you know.

28:35.547 --> 28:38.341
I signed to Deconstruction Records.

28:40.468 --> 28:42.595
They had a very independent feel.

28:42.679 --> 28:45.390
-David.
-Kylie, how do you do? Nice to meet you.

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They were open to experimentation

28:52.188 --> 28:54.899
and wanted me to be much more involved.

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And we talked about
a very different vocal delivery.

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We all get hurt by love

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And we all have our cross to bear

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I hadn't done those kind of notes before.

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But it was like,
feel the fear and do it anyway.

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Problems should be shared

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Confide…

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I'd never done anything like that.

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Confide…

29:35.982 --> 29:38.651
Kylie Minogue returns
to the pop scene this week

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with a new record and a new sound.

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Confide in me

29:48.369 --> 29:49.579
The new album

29:49.662 --> 29:53.082
has widely been greeted
as your bid to become treated

29:53.166 --> 29:55.168
as a serious artist for the first time.

29:55.251 --> 29:57.420
-Is that how you see it?
-Um…

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…in me

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I can use whatever language I like?

30:16.481 --> 30:19.400
If Kylie Minogue
represents the Australian dream,

30:19.484 --> 30:22.487
then Nick Cave
is surely the Australian nightmare.

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Attracting a cult following

30:28.743 --> 30:32.288
with his twisted lyrics
and darkly wasted image.

30:32.372 --> 30:33.414
-Hi.
-Hi.

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Uh, go all the way down to the end.

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I think-- I think those songs are written
with a fair amount of disgust for things.

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Because I'm a pretty disgusted person.

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You know.

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Look, I was, um,

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an observer.

31:03.194 --> 31:05.905
And I just always liked her.

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Whenever I saw her on the TV,

31:07.782 --> 31:10.201
there was something
about her that I liked.

31:11.452 --> 31:14.998
But, you know, I didn't sit around
and listen to her records or anything.

31:15.081 --> 31:16.749
I wasn't, like, a "fan" fan.

31:19.377 --> 31:23.423
But there was something that
I recognized in her that I responded to.

31:25.508 --> 31:27.385
You don't like to be photographed?

31:27.468 --> 31:31.681
No, I don't, really.
So, let's move it along here.

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It was a strange thing with Kylie
because even though she had mass appeal,

31:38.229 --> 31:40.231
you know, she had everything

31:40.315 --> 31:41.899
but credibility.

31:41.983 --> 31:45.445
And I looked at her because

31:46.404 --> 31:49.115
I had credibility, but not much else.

31:50.199 --> 31:51.534
Thank you.

31:57.332 --> 32:01.127
At that time,
I was writing a bunch of murder songs,

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so I had a kind of audacious idea

32:05.006 --> 32:08.134
for Kylie Minogue to do a murder ballad.

32:10.303 --> 32:11.471
Yeah, hello.

32:12.472 --> 32:16.893
But there was terrible opposition
from management and so forth,

32:16.976 --> 32:18.895
that this is just a fucked-up idea,

32:18.978 --> 32:20.355
which it was.

32:21.105 --> 32:22.899
This is cool.

32:22.982 --> 32:25.944
Storyboard for
"Where the Wild Roses Grow."

32:26.027 --> 32:27.528
This is so cool!

32:28.237 --> 32:31.616
"Nick observes Kylie's face
and body in water."

32:32.700 --> 32:35.370
I was a well-known sort of drug addict.

32:35.453 --> 32:38.581
"Close-up angle, static.
Kylie lays in water, tear on cheek."

32:38.665 --> 32:40.333
"Flies possibly buzz around face."

32:40.416 --> 32:44.587
And the nature of the song was dubious.

32:44.671 --> 32:48.341
"Close-up, static.
Nick reaches for rock, again."

32:50.385 --> 32:53.221
Yeah, I mean,
that's always been close to my heart.

32:53.304 --> 32:56.224
Nick reached out and I was like…

32:58.309 --> 33:00.019
"Who?" Like, "Huh?"

33:00.103 --> 33:04.023
I was not the demographic
of Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

33:04.816 --> 33:05.858
fan club.

33:05.942 --> 33:08.611
But there is an Australian thing.

33:08.695 --> 33:11.948
They just do shit, right?
They just do stuff.

33:12.031 --> 33:16.285
And they don't think about it too much.
They just give stuff a shot, you know.

33:16.369 --> 33:19.956
And she's like, "Yeah, okay." And…

33:20.039 --> 33:22.750
I was… I was naive. I didn't know.

33:26.504 --> 33:29.298
We were waiting for her
to come into the studio.

33:32.218 --> 33:35.513
I don't think anyone had met Kylie before.

33:37.432 --> 33:41.728
And the Bad Seeds, we were a dark force.

33:43.271 --> 33:47.525
This group of weird,
fucked-up, sort of broken men.

33:49.694 --> 33:55.575
A lot of drugs and a contemptuous,
pessimistic view of the world.

33:57.493 --> 33:59.370
But when she came into the studio…

34:01.831 --> 34:05.793
…she was like this sort of beam of light…

34:09.922 --> 34:12.550
…with this incredible positivity.

34:16.179 --> 34:21.934
I don't think we'd ever met anyone
in our lives, really, that liked life.

34:24.729 --> 34:27.023
Just this sort of bold

34:27.815 --> 34:28.816
brightness.

34:29.609 --> 34:34.238
And we were really--
We were terrified of it to some degree.

34:35.698 --> 34:39.118
From the first day I saw her
I knew she was the one

34:39.202 --> 34:43.414
And when she went to record,
she sang in a kind of

34:43.498 --> 34:49.462
"Kylie-esque," trained,
a lot of vocal tricks, I guess.

34:49.545 --> 34:54.300
And we were like, "Look, forget all that.
Just sing it straight."

34:54.383 --> 34:56.928
When he knocked on my door

34:57.011 --> 34:59.639
And entered the room

34:59.722 --> 35:03.684
Sing it less, like,
almost make it a story.

35:03.768 --> 35:05.311
He would be my first man

35:05.394 --> 35:06.604
And be a character.

35:06.687 --> 35:08.648
And with a careful hand

35:08.731 --> 35:10.817
He wiped at the tears

35:10.900 --> 35:15.321
And she just did this version of it that
so beautifully haunted the whole thing.

35:15.404 --> 35:19.784
They call me the Wild Rose

35:19.867 --> 35:22.245
We were just staggered.

35:22.328 --> 35:26.499
But my name was Elisa Day

35:27.083 --> 35:31.712
Why they call me that, I do not know

35:33.297 --> 35:36.050
Good evening, and we have
something very special for you tonight

35:36.134 --> 35:37.218
on Top of the Pops.

35:39.679 --> 35:42.014
I remember doing Top of the Pops.

35:42.640 --> 35:46.686
I think you can see by the performance,
I don't know what's going on.

35:48.229 --> 35:50.231
I'm just sort of bumbling around.

35:51.691 --> 35:56.070
You know, the people that turned up
to my concerts were psychos.

35:56.904 --> 35:59.866
We would be taking iron bars
and scissors and knives

35:59.949 --> 36:06.122
off people in the front row,
so I know about a dangerous audience.

36:06.664 --> 36:10.543
But I've never experienced
anything like Kylie Minogue's…

36:12.378 --> 36:13.254
…audience.

36:13.337 --> 36:16.299
They-- They were terrifying.

36:17.758 --> 36:22.763
Just these sort of monstrous,
awful teenage girls.

36:24.223 --> 36:26.517
They did not like me.

36:26.601 --> 36:29.896
They did not like me
to go near their princess.

36:29.979 --> 36:31.981
Well, Nick gets worried that my--

36:32.064 --> 36:35.526
My fans didn't like him
or didn't like the project.

36:36.027 --> 36:38.529
I don't-- I don't think that's so.

36:38.613 --> 36:41.407
And these little girls say,
"You fucking old bastard."

36:41.490 --> 36:43.784
"What are you doing,
you horrible old cunt?"

36:44.744 --> 36:46.746
They were just evil.

36:47.246 --> 36:50.958
So, I couldn't help
but throw my arms around Kylie.

36:52.919 --> 36:55.922
And they're just running
their fingers across their throats

36:56.005 --> 36:58.090
and saying, "Just don't fucking…"

36:58.633 --> 37:02.053
Then they'd turn the cameras towards them,
and they'd be like, "Yay!"

37:03.512 --> 37:06.223
Kylie with Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds.

37:06.307 --> 37:07.725
Right, well, uh, Madonna…

37:07.808 --> 37:10.061
Evil, evil people.

37:14.565 --> 37:16.359
I'm a hell of a lot better for seeing you.

37:18.110 --> 37:20.196
-Did you read about us in the paper?
-No.

37:20.279 --> 37:22.198
-Um…
-What happened?

37:22.281 --> 37:23.658
Well, apparently, we're snogging.

37:25.326 --> 37:26.744
-And?
-And…

37:26.827 --> 37:28.079
So?

37:28.162 --> 37:32.124
-They haven't seen tonight's show.
-More snogging than singing was the thing.

37:33.709 --> 37:35.336
Our worlds collided.

37:35.962 --> 37:38.005
But it was like another kind of

37:38.631 --> 37:39.882
love.

37:45.054 --> 37:49.100
I sound like I was falling in love
all the time, but it was really,

37:49.183 --> 37:50.059
um…

37:52.228 --> 37:56.440
some kind of union that wasn't romantic.

37:58.693 --> 38:00.486
I think we recognized

38:00.569 --> 38:03.531
a vulnerability in each other

38:04.657 --> 38:08.494
that we were sort of
I think at that time trying to

38:09.578 --> 38:10.621
escape.

38:12.290 --> 38:14.792
I was locked into a kind of lifestyle

38:14.875 --> 38:17.670
that was becoming
increasingly problematic.

38:20.256 --> 38:21.549
But with Kylie,

38:22.967 --> 38:24.760
I could see the world…

38:27.471 --> 38:29.181
in a positive way.

38:33.686 --> 38:35.730
Thank you. I'd like to invite now

38:35.813 --> 38:38.149
Miss Kylie Minogue to come up here.

38:42.111 --> 38:47.616
And I think she wanted to break free
from the sort of constraints

38:47.700 --> 38:50.411
that she thought she was imprisoned by.

38:54.373 --> 38:56.292
The prisoner of an image.

38:58.878 --> 39:05.426
That she was a sort of brainless
pop pablum, you know, mush.

39:05.509 --> 39:06.761
But she had

39:07.261 --> 39:08.888
things to say.

39:08.971 --> 39:10.848
Particularly with the lyrics.

39:10.931 --> 39:14.060
It's, like, the most important thing
you can do, really.

39:14.143 --> 39:15.519
If you're writing your own lyrics,

39:15.603 --> 39:18.105
you don't have others' thoughts
coming out of your mouth.

39:18.189 --> 39:20.816
You're sort of defining yourself in a way.
You don't have…

39:20.900 --> 39:22.818
Nick Cave says to me,

39:22.902 --> 39:24.528
"Where are your lyrics?"

39:26.489 --> 39:28.908
I'm not really
a fully-fledged songwriter yet.

39:28.991 --> 39:32.119
If you feel things,
then you're able to write them.

39:32.203 --> 39:34.872
So, I hope you do that, Kylie.

39:35.998 --> 39:38.334
You know what I did find. Lyrics.

39:40.169 --> 39:44.465
I remember trying
to write something that would talk to me.

39:46.842 --> 39:49.970
"I wanted to be your lonesome cowboy.
I wanted to love you till it hurt."

39:50.054 --> 39:51.263
Oh, wow.

39:51.347 --> 39:52.348
That-- That was a lyric.

39:52.431 --> 39:54.934
That's not my writing.
Someone else wrote in my book.

39:55.017 --> 39:58.813
"She wanted to be stopped
in time suspended. It was the best ever…"

39:58.896 --> 40:00.898
So, that obviously didn't make it.

40:00.981 --> 40:04.193
I mean, it's really terrible.

40:04.276 --> 40:08.280
This is going to sound really terrible
when I say it. You can't wait, can you?

40:09.073 --> 40:12.243
"Who would have thought that little girl

40:12.326 --> 40:14.161
would end up living out
her wildest dreams?"

40:15.329 --> 40:18.040
Sometimes it sounds
really not so great saying it.

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There's a lot of absolute tosh in here.

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There's got to be something in here.

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Huh.

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"I wanted to sometimes be irresponsible.
I wanted to own the choice I made."

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Quite revealing.

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In what way?

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If it's not self-explanatory,
it's not very revealing at all.

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But then I caught something
from the creative ether.

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Caught up in this house
Trapped my very own self in…

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It felt like

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a fire

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was just, like, coming out of me.

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Oh, gosh.

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It was like contained rage.

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Lured into this den

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It's bitter and I want…

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"I wanted to find a way
to put an end to all of my destruction."

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"I wanted to know what I was worth."

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She really was… She, I.

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Too many, too much, too hard
Help me…

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I was just really in it.

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I wasn't separate to the song.

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Well, I would make it slower and shorter.

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…this time I went too far, too far…

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I really wanted to be more than one facet.

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I have so many characters
lurking in my body, it's frightening.

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I'm possessed.

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Too far

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It was much more on the edge.

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I was very on the edge, clearly.

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I didn't want to say it.

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What do you mean?

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Too many, too much, too hard

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Her new album, two years in the making.

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Let's get this lady out here.

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The impossible princess herself.
Ladies and gentlemen, Kylie Minogue!

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Have you totally disowned
those really early songs now?

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I've not been able to say,
"I should be so lucky," in so many years.

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And in a way, it was a slight exorcism.

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Too far, too far

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There was an honesty and a purity
and a "I'm just putting it out there."

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It's definitely the most
personal work I've ever done.

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Too far

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Is that nerve-racking, when it goes out?

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Yeah. Scary.

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Too many, too much…

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And then I saw it on a billboard.

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You didn't know about the billboard?

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Look.

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There was a billboard that said,

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"We've decided what to do
with Kylie's music."

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"Don't play it."

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Boom!

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A royal slap.

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-Test for sound?
-Go on.

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One, two, three, four, five.
Here we are at Tower Records.

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-Have you started? Sorry.
-Just about to.

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Thank you.

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Okay?

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If I could first start
by asking about the new album.

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I don't think I was on the radio at all.

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How did it all come about?

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Uh…

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In fact, some stations
were actively not playing me.

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In the house tonight,
wielding the new Mohican, Jason Donovan.

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Kylie Minogue. Do you follow her career?

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Her kind of venture
with the latest album, doing indie stuff.

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-What do you think of that?
-It hasn't worked, I don't think.

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Kylie!

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Kylie! Kylie!

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Some people just want to

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watch you crumble,
and they're on to the next person.

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Pop. Disposable. Pop. Disposable.

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Other teen sensations have come and gone.

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What do you think your appeal is,
and why haven't you sort of disappeared?

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You'd be better off asking
other people that than me.

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I can't be that self-analytical,
I don't think.

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Many, many times I just thought,

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"I don't-- I just honestly
don't know if this is worth it."

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Just tell me about the album.
It's not an overly imaginative title.

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And the minute
you start trying to defend yourself…

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they've won.

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Is there truth to the rumors
you and Dannii aren't talking?

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Excuse me, where are you from?

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-Is that a serious question?
-Yeah.

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-Is there any truth we're not talking?
-Yeah.

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I find that so ridiculous.

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Do you think she's had it
in terms of the music industry?

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I-I never thought she had it
in the first place.

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I made Deconstruction no money.

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Zippo. Nada. Rien. Nothing. So,

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she's off the books.

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I thought, "I'm going to act again,"

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because there was enough people
who were thinking, if not saying,

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"That's it. It's done."

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I got a phone call.

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And yeah.

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I don't remember what words she said,
but it was, like, "He's gone."

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I got the flight back
to Sydney for the funeral.

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And I just went, "Oh!"

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"That's another first. It's my first, um,

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service that I've been to. Like…"

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"Okay, always with the firsts."

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You know?

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We gather to mourn the death

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of someone whom most of us barely knew.

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We listened to him sing…

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and felt that it was for us alone.

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We're here today to mourn the death

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of Michael Hutchence.

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It might seem disproportionate,

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the emotion and the memories
I have with him and with that time.

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But I just felt protected
and nurtured and valued

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and believed in.

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Someone you counted on is gone.

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I remember being at the church,
and it was overwhelming,

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the outpouring of love for him.

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Someone who was your rock is no more.

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It's going to sound totally crazy,
but I felt him just saying,

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"It's okay. It will be okay."

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I always feel he's with me.

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It's kind of crazy, but I do.

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Which is so, like, you can--

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You can have relationships with…

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as I have had, you know,
relationships with different people

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but someone that really just believed in…

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believes in you so much.

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Here's an important point.

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He really didn't want me
to be someone else for him at all.

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He was encouraging me

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to discover me.

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Fuck.

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I had a kind of harebrained idea.

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Now without further ado,
I'd like to introduce

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the first of the talented
and totally diverse artists and writers…

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I was asked to go and perform
at this thing called the Poetry Olympics.

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Two days and nights

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of continuous poetry
that was put on at the Albert Hall.

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"Here is a love
that makes its bargain with bad habits."

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"Tell me lies about Vietnam."

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"You can have sex with anyone,

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but with whom can you sleep?"

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This had some great poets in it,
but mostly it was just this endless,

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worthy

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art.

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"When I take off my head,
the head looks into my bleeding neck."

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"The fucking baby's crying,
the fucking flower's dying."

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People had been sitting in their chairs,
I think, for, you know,

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a day listening to poetry.

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I was seeing Kylie quite a bit.

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Thank you.

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And I'm like, "Why don't you come along
and recite something?"

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I was thinking, "Are you mad?"

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"The sword of Damocles
is hanging over all of us."

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This is not my world.
I'm not-- I'm not from the literary world.

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"In view of that,
what subject can we sensibly discuss?"

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So, I tried everything to get out of it.

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She said she tried to get out of it.

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-Really? We weren't having any of that.
-Yeah.

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"For what is liberty
without the liberty to act?"

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And I said to Nick,

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"God's on stage. How do we follow that?"

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He said, "Jesus did okay."

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And then he went out.

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The way I remember it is that,

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which-- Which I'm surprised
I can remember anything at all

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because we were so out of it.

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"Ho, ho, ho."

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"Ho, ho, ho."

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Thank you.

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I would like to bring out the flame-like
Kylie Minogue, ladies and gentlemen.

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She walked on…

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this pop princess up against

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the most elitist art form
there is, of poetry.

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Why, thank you.

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Well, I didn't expect to be here,

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but I-I have come
with words that I did not write,

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which I shall read to you.

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"In my imagination,

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there is no hesitation."

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"I dream about you all the time."

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And I could hear the recognition,

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that the audience--
They were with me and with us.

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"In my imagination,
there is no complication."

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"We walk together hand in hand."

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She just broke the night open…

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"And I'm dreaming
that you're in love with me."

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…with poetry that we could understand.

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"I should be so lucky."

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"Lucky, lucky, lucky."

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"I should be so lucky in love."

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Thank you.

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It was like being
face-to-face with my old self.

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The one that I was trying
to turn my back on.

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I don't know if I said this outright,

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but I'm like,
"What the fuck are you doing?"

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Like, "Indie?" I mean,

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no one willingly wants to be indie.

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They may say they do.

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Kylie Minogue, ladies and gentlemen.

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But that's not what Kylie is, you know.

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Kylie is this force…

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…that is there to affect thousands
and thousands and thousands of people.

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It's all outward.

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It's all giving.

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You have an enormous positive influence.

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These people that go along
to their first pop concert,

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it's a life-changing moment
where they feel

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something that they've never known before.

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The great beauty of pop music
is that it is a joy machine.

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You've got the coolest guy on the planet…

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saying, "Where's the pop tunes?"

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Right, let's get the jet packs on
and get back to the dance floor.

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But if this doesn't work, I am finished.

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I'm spinning around

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Move out of my way

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I know you're feeling me
'Cause you like it like this

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I'm breaking it down

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I'm not the same

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I know you're feeling me
'Cause you like it like…